Love is Gonna Win!

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133 Responses to “Love is Gonna Win!”

  1. blessedistruth Says:

    Sweet Memory

    I wanna say it was 1997 – 1998, somewhere in there. And my daughter was in the sixth grade.

    At least that’s how I remember it.

    One of our favorite haunts was downtown Tempe and somehow I convinced my daughter to go to a concert with me.

    We probably went to the place with the blueberry scones and I probably ordered a tall mocha.

    I think my daughter was drinking iced coffee in those days.

    There is no way on earth I can describe how scrumptious these blueberry scones were.

    They were so good there was a band called The Scones named after the blueberry ones.

    And the band was almost as good as the scones themselves!

    When my husband and I moved back to the Valley of the Sun in 2007, I went on a pilgrimage in search of the delectable scones.

    Alas the building is still there and they still sell scones, but they are not the same.

    Once I met the famed baker of said scones. I felt like I was meeting a celebrity. I was meeting a celebrity!

    Whatever became of him? It is an unsolved mystery.

    We were feeling extremely comfortable after all of the comfort food we had ingested.

    Then we bought a new pair of sandals for us both. That turned out to be a huge mistake!

    Because we wore our brand new shoes to the concert.

    And we had to park so far away from the stage and walk through a long gauntlet of rides and attractions.

    By the time we entered the House of Mirrors we both had blisters on our feet.

    We were fooling around like we always did and my daughter sustained an injury inside of the dreaded House of Mirrors.

    I don’t recall how it transpired exactly. But she blamed me for causing her injury and for the blisters on her feet.

    And why had I dragged her to this God-forsaken place, anyway?!

    My daughter is a music lover just like her dear old Mom. And I often caught her tuning to the oldies station.

    But she didn’t know the names of the artists or the songs.

    But she knew every lyric by heart.

    So when I told her we were going to see the Grass Roots, she didn’t have a clue.

    We sat in the first row and tried to soothe our aching feet.

    Then the band started playing and she started recognizing each hit.

    Finally she beamed and sang every word.

    “But a little gold ring you wear on your hand makes me understand
    There’s another before me, you’ll never be mine
    I’m wasting my time”

    In the end my daughter forgave me and we laugh together heartily reminiscing about that day.

    Such a sweet memory.

  2. blessedistruth Says:

    Reposting from previous thread:


    Christopher Logan

    Submitted on 2009/12/16 at 2:01am

    Islam is the anti-thesis of life as we know it.


    Good morning, Christopher!

    Thanks for stopping by.

    I understand the need for your warning, I just don’t know quite how to proceed, or how our government should proceed.

    The few Muslims I know are very proud of their heritage, including their religion.

    And they hate what is being done in their name.

    We need our Muslim allies to help us fight the terrorist threat.

    And they are fighting and dying.

    As a woman, what I fear the most is the spread of sharia.

    We don’t need an unenforcable climate change treaty to save the world.

    What we need is the spread of Western economies as far and as wide and as soon as possible.

    Women in these underdeveloped countries will start having fewer children and eventually will enjoy rights comparable to women in the developed world.

    Christopher, are you aware of these two anti-sharia sites?

    Also, if you wouldn’t mind paying a visit to RosettaSister, I’m sure the gang would like hearing about your website.

    Thanks, again.


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  4. blessedistruth Says:

    From Hot Air

    (2) The Democrats are so frantic to pass something at this point

    – e.g., there was a rumor floated earlier today that Emanuel was pressuring Reid to use reconciliation –

    that Pelosi will almost certainly want to ping-pong the Senate bill.

    Will the absence of a public option convince Blue Dogs who voted no on the House bill to vote yes this time or will the gruesome polling scare them away?

    If they do vote yes, are there enough of them to make up for the number of House progressives who will surely vote no this time?


    The most important sentence here is

    “Pelosi will almost certainly want to ping-pong the Senate bill.”

    What does that mean? As soon as Reid is sure of 60 votes to end debate (cloture) he will substitute his manager’s amendment which will most likely include Stupak language.

    Then off to House where it will pass with NO changes.

    No need to conference, so off to Obama for signature.

  5. blessedistruth Says:

    A ping-pong option?

    ‘Special Report’ Panel on Fate of Health Care Reform; Big Banks …
    Dec 15, 2009 … It is called a ping-pong option kind of thing, where in fact Nancy Pelosi — the thought is — would simply get the House Democrats to go …

    (On this page somewhere),2933,580292,00.html

  6. blessedistruth Says:

    December 16, 2009

    Updated Link:

  7. blessedistruth Says:

    Dutch blog for Iran updates:

  8. blessedistruth Says:

    Tehrani says:
    16 december 2009 om 18:39 December 16, 2009 at 18:39

    Zwisterland moet 536 miljoen dollar aan de VS betallen als boete voor haar betrekkingen met de mullahs.

    1.Zwisterland to 536 million U.S. dollars to the U.S. betallen as penalty for its relations with the mullahs.

    (What is THIS all about?)

  9. blessedistruth Says:

    Credit Suisse to Pay $536 Million in U.S. Settlement (Update1)

    Credit Suisse AG agreed to pay $536 million to settle claims the bank helped process payments that let Iran and other nations avoid government sanctions and gain access to U.S. financial markets.

  10. blessedistruth Says:

    Nor are things much easier for the one member of the family who sees his future in religion — what might be considered Gaza’s growth industry.

    Mohammed Barakat, 23, just graduated from Gaza’s Islamic University with a degree in Islamic law and hoped for appointment as an imam at a mosque. He sees himself as a sort of bridge, strict in his observance of Islam’s social aspects but against the use of violence against Israel.

    But he is not a member of Hamas. As a result, his ideas won’t be heard from the pulpit at Friday prayers.

    “The problem is that people who rely on their emotions are the majority,” he said. “I try to convince them that you should react out of logic. They call me a coward.”

  11. blessedistruth Says:

    Know Your Enemy

    Can Mullen get Pakistan to shut down its terrorist havens?

    Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, arrived in Pakistan Tuesday to try to soothe old tensions. Pakistan distrusts US aims in Afghanistan, which makes it a less-than-perfect partner.

    The Pakistan Army’s view

    Reaction to the Obama administration’s way forward on Afghanistan, however, has been “muted” within the Pakistani military, said the military official.

    Long memories remain. Pakistanis remember how the US denied economic and military assistance to their country altogether when Pakistan responded to India by building its own nuclear weapon. Then, after 9/11, when American self interests were again at stake, the US rushed to Pakistan’s side. The feeling that it has often been used by the US defines the US-Pakistan relationship and fuels anti-Americanism here.

    The sense that America only thinks in the short term has led to Pakistan’s decision not to go after Siraj Haqqani, the leader of one of the most dangerous terrorist networks operating in Afghanistan, according to a report in The New York Times. Pakistan has long seen him as a potential asset, the report says.

    Pakistani military officers who have spent time with the American military generally look at Obama Afghan plan optimistically, while those who have no such relationship view the new strategy negatively, the officer said.

  12. blessedistruth Says:

    Well, if the Pakistanis won’t target Haqqani, we surely will!

    Unmanned bombs away!

  13. blessedistruth Says:

    The Story of Harry and Nan

    The House already has approved its version of the health care bill, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Wednesday she was confident a final compromise would be signed into law before Obama’s 2010 State of the Union address.

    She signaled a willingness to look at the proposal in the Senate bill that takes the place of government-run insurance in the House bill.

    Asked whether she could support a final bill without a so-called public option, she said, “it depends what else is in the bill.”


    So if Harry pings on December 24th, Christmas Eve, then Nan won’t pong until January?

    A fait accompli, as I heard Sean Hannity say earlier on his radio show?

    (An accomplished, presumably irreversible deed or fact.)

  14. blessedistruth Says:

    I just heard Senator Barrasso say that he believes there will not be a conference, that Pelosi will “eat” Reid’s manager’s amendment. Yum!

    BTW, what a cutie pie! I must have a thing for Republican men. Oh yeah, my husband’s a Republican!

  15. blessedistruth Says:

    What is Ben Nelson’s Price?


    I gotta tell you, I have a hard time believing this someone at the White House threatened Ben Nelson story.

    I mean, could someone who works for Obama really be that stupid?!

    Maybe that was a dumb question.

    Honestly, you cannot take anything at face value anymore.

  16. blessedistruth Says:

    Coast to Coast AM Tonight:

  17. blessedistruth Says:

    From last night:

    (This is all well and good. Honestly, I don’t need to see another craft in the night sky or even in the daytime. I don’t need to see another image or video. I don’t need to recall or even to experience in real time another abduction experience. Unless one or more of these other-worldly beings is going to visit with me at my kitchen table, I mean, what is the point? Now, if a world leader ever decides to disclose the truth, that would change everything. For me, the most important thing is to get the word out so our fellow humans know how to cope with their own experiences. So they know they are being manipulated and not to trust. Not to trust even their own recollections. Having said all of that, that doesn’t mean I believe them to be all bad. But they are deceivers.)

  18. blessedistruth Says:

    Alien Jigsaw


    For me, Melinda Leslie is one of the best persons to seek out for information:


    How the Covert-Ops’ Reverse Engineering of Extraterrestrial Abductees Shifts the Abduction Paradigm

    By Melinda Leslie

  19. blessedistruth Says:

    From Melinda Leslie article linked above:


    It’s no wonder that the MILAB subject is overlooked by the abduction research community, and almost completely ignored by the ufology community. It turns out that ET abductions, their significance in the policy of non-disclosure, their relationship to other areas in ufology such as crash retrievals, back-engineering, and technology development, is more important and more deeply entrenched than has ever been recognized, and thus plays a more integral role than has been previously known.

    I’m not really trying to get anyone to change the name – to replace one acronym with another. Many say that ufology has too many acronyms as it is. Even I’ll continue to occasionally call the phenomenon “MILAB” out of sheer habit. The actual problem is not the name, it is the paradigm.

    I am asking that ufology expand its current abduction paradigm to include an even greater appreciation for the reality and significance of the abduction phenomenon as it relates to the overall UFO subject. And in particular, appreciation of the fact that abductees are being reverse-engineered by the military and/or intelligence ET management cabal, to access many forms of ET information and for all of the benefits and possibilities that information holds. Ufology must shift its paradigm to include the fact that abductees are being reverse-engineered because these experiences are an indispensable and integral part of the picture – the complete UFO and ET presence realty picture – that abductees are reverse-engineered in experiences known as MILABS…I mean…RE-ABS.

    © by Melinda Leslie, July 2009

    For more in-depth information on the connection between psi and ET technology development, please read the article Abductees and Beyond: The Human Re-Abduction Scenario and the Quest For Psi-Tech by my research collaborator Randy Koppang, available on

  20. blessedistruth Says:


    Air date 8/13/09

    Researcher/experiencer Melinda Leslie discussed her recent work on abductees who claim to have been interrogated, and sometimes re-abducted by covert/military operatives, after their initial alien encounter.

  21. blessedistruth Says:


    More Like This:

  22. blessedistruth Says:

    In the few years that I have been studying my own personal invasion by these creatures, I have come to understand that the invaders do not tell the truth unless it serves THEIR purpose.

    They play on our fears, using pollution, war, nuclear holocaust and greed as backdrops for their warnings.

    But every day since I was a small child, I have been aware that those things are part of our world.

    We all know these things.

    It does not take a zillion-plus-IQ creature from the planet Orlon to make me aware that we have problems in our world that we must face.

    We have very human problems to deal with – problems that we can deal with.

    — Elton Turner

    (Well, that about sums it up for me, too!)

  23. blessedistruth Says:

    Hannity and Rove on the “ping pong” option:

    HANNITY: Well, and for good reason, I would argue. But now, all right, you brought your whiteboard and there are a number of ways that this can unfold. And we’ve obviously got the House version, we’ve got the Senate version. Then they’re going to go to conference committee. You see two ways that you think this bill could unfold. What are they?

    ROVE: One of them is they could go to the conference committee, where they take the Senate bill and the House bill and have a vote, work this bill over, then have a vote at which a majority of members from each branch — from each House, from each chamber, come together and support a compromise measure.

    But there’s another way to go about doing this that doesn’t involved a conference committee. It’s called ping-pong. The Senate sends its bill back to the House. The House basically writes a bill that is not exactly the House bill but something not exactly the Senate bill and sends it back to the Senate, hoping to force the Senate into accepting whatever the House has written.

    This could conceivably happen several times where the Senate says, OK, well, you did that, we’ll do something a little bit different and send it back to you.

    HANNITY: I don’t see it.

    ROVE: Generally you can only on a big thing like this, you can ping-pong at once. But I think we’re likely to see a conference committee and it’s likely to be ugly and we’re likely to see things that we think are gone now, come back again in conference committee because there you watered down the impact of moderates and increase the pressure to do what the party wants you to do.

  24. blessedistruth Says:

    Or Reid and Pelosi already have it worked out so that Reid’s “manager’s amendment” is voted up in the House with NO changes.

    Therefore NO conference.

    Therefore off to Obama’s desk for signature just in time for the State of the Union.

  25. blessedistruth Says:

    Oh and expect Stupak language to be included in Reid’s manager’s amendment.

  26. blessedistruth Says:

    UFO Undercover Guest MELINDA LESLIE milab alien abductee

  27. blessedistruth Says:

    UFO Undercover Guest Melinda Leslie–melinda-leslie.aspx?ref=rss

  28. blessedistruth Says:

    Melinda Leslie has been public with her own abduction experiences for 20 years, researched covert-ops
    involvement for 17 years, and interviewed over 50 abductees with this involvement. Melinda’s research is
    featured in the new book, Camouflage Through Limited Disclosure: Deconstructing a Cover-up of the
    Extraterrestrial Presence by Randy Koppang. Melinda has lectured for numerous organizations and conferences,
    including MUFON, the X-Conference, the Bay Area UFO Expo, UFO Expo West, the International UFO Congress,
    the Whole Life Expo, and more. She has been a guest on numerous radio shows including Coast-to-Coast AM,
    and appeared on several television shows. For 9 years Melinda was Director of a UFO lecture series hosting the
    most prominent names in ufology.

    Melinda may be reached at

  29. blessedistruth Says:

  30. blessedistruth Says:

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    1:30 – 3:30 PM Melinda Leslie & Niara Isley – The Reality of Covert-Ops Abduction Experiences:
    The Reverse Engineering of ET Abductees, from Experiencing Trauma to Moving Beyond Fear

    TICKET R – February 25 – Thursday Afternoon – 12:45 – 6:00 PM
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  31. blessedistruth Says:

    Joe Montaldo

    This week

    December 16th

    Jim Sparks


  32. blessedistruth Says:

    December 17, 2009

    Updated Link:

  33. blessedistruth Says:

    Maybe your heart is aching
    I wouldn’t know, now would i?
    Maybe your spirit’s breaking up
    I shouldn’t care, now should i?
    Maybe you’re thinking of me
    Well I don´t know, now do i?
    If only you knew how I feel
    Wish I could die, now don´t die?
    I´m just another crazy guy
    Playing at love was another high
    Just another high
    Couldn’t believe in my eyes
    You drifted into my life
    But marriages made in heaven
    Can they survive in this life?
    Surely it came as no surprise
    Love was too hot to handle
    Well I really blew my cool and you
    You just blew out the candle
    Didn’t you just try just another high?
    Didn’t you sigh as you waved goodbye?
    Just another high
    I’m just another crazy guy
    Playing at love was another high
    Such a crazy high
    Lately it seems so empty here
    But I suppose I’m alright
    Maybe tomorrow’s not so clear
    Still I remember that night
    Singing to you like this is
    My only way to reach you
    Though i´m too proud to say it
    Oh how I long too see you
    Shattered by dreams, by your goodbye
    scattered my hopes, as filled the sky
    Desolate am i
    Just another crazy guy
    Playing at love was another high
    Such a crazy high
    Maybe I should start anew
    And maybe I should find someone who
    Will maybe love me like I love you
    Maybe i´m too stuck on you
    Maybe I got stuck on you

  34. blessedistruth Says:

    God knows I’m beside myself!

    Side 1

    1.”Love Is the Drug” (Ferry, Andy Mackay) – 4:11
    2.”End of the Line” – 5:14
    3.”Sentimental Fool” (Ferry, Mackay) – 6:14
    4.”Whirlwind” (Ferry, Phil Manzanera) – 3:38

    Side 2

    1.”She Sells” (Ferry, Eddie Jobson) – 3:39
    2.”Could It Happen to Me?” – 3:36
    3.”Both Ends Burning” – 5:16
    4.”Nightingale” (Ferry, Manzanera) – 4:11
    5.”Just Another High” – 6:31

  35. blessedistruth Says:

    The Long War Journal: US airstrike kills 3 in North Waziristan

    The US killed three Islamist terrorists in the third airstrike in two days in Pakistan’s Taliban-controlled tribal agency of North Waziristan.

    The strike, carried out by unmanned Predator or Reaper attack aircraft, hit a Taliban safe house in the Datta Khel region in North Waziristan. Several Hellfire missiles were reported to have been launched in the airstrike.

    “The US drone missiles hit a house in the mountains,” a Pakistani intelligence official told Dawn. “We have reports of three militants killed and five injured. The house was completely destroyed.”

    US intelligence officials contacted by The Long War Journal would not comment on the target of the attack.

    The Datta Khel region was the focus of two airstrikes yesterday which killed a senior al Qaeda commander and six fighters, as well as 11 Haqqani Network fighters.

    The al Qaeda commander was identified as Zuhaib al Zahibi. A senior US military intelligence official described Zahibi as “a general officer equivalent” in the Lashkar al Zil, or the Shadow Army.

    The Datta Khel region is a stronghold of both the Haqqani Network and North Waziristan Taliban leader Hafiz Gul Bahadar; they both shelter al Qaeda leaders and fighters. The US has pressured Pakistan to dismantle the Haqqani Network, but has been rebuffed.

    The Haqqani family is led by Jalaluddin and his son Siraj, who serves as the military commander. The network is based in both Pakistan and Afghanistan, and has the backing of the Pakistani military and its intelligence service. The Haqqanis have strong ties to al Qaeda. Siraj Haqqani is believed to be a member of al Qaeda’s military shura, or council, US intelligence officials have told The Long War Journal.

    The US has zeroed in on the Haqqani Network since killing Baitullah Mehsud in an Aug. 5 strike in South Waziristan. Baitullah was the leader of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, one of several Taliban groups operating in Pakistan.

    Since the Aug. 5 strike, 14 of the 18 reported airstrikes have taken place in North Waziristan, while the other four were in South Waziristan. Nine of the 14 attacks in North Waziristan occurred in territory administered by the Haqqani Network.

    So far this year, the US has carried out 50 airstrikes inside Pakistan. In all of 2008, 36 strikes were carried out. Since the US ramped up cross-border attacks in August 2008, 16 senior al Qaeda and Taliban leaders have been killed.

  36. blessedistruth Says:

    The first strike Thursday killed two insurgents as they traveled in a vehicle in Dosali village, the Associated Press reports. In the second wave of the strikes, a cluster of five drones hovered over a militant compound and fired as many as 10 missiles, killing 15 people. The attack took place in the village of Degan, an area that has come under attack from drones before and that is located near the North Waziristan capital of Miran Shah, according to The New York Times.

    The surrounding areas are considered a viper’s nest of local and foreign militants. Mr. Haqqani and Mr. Bahadur, who both command thousands of Taliban foot soldiers, use the territory to stage attacks against US-led troops in Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda operatives are believed to use it as a staging ground as well. On Friday, Pakistani officials claimed that Zohaib al-Zahidi, an Arab Al-Qaeda commander, was among Thursday’s dead, the New York Times adds.

    The US had earlier asked the Pakistani military to expand its current military campaign in South Waziristan to include the lawless frontier controlled by Haqqani, Bahadur and their militant allies. The Pakistani government not only refused, but cut a deal whereby Bahadur and the Pakistani military agreed to stay out of each other’s way. The Pakistani army says the truce is essential to their success in South Waziristan, according to Foreign Policy magazine.

    Both Haqqani and Bahadur are alleged to receive support from Pakistan’s intelligence agencies. The Long War Journal reports that Pakistan’s military is divided over whether or not to severe those ties.

    “Even if he wanted to moved against Haqqani, I think [the Commander of Pakistan’s armed forces] General [Ashfaq Pervez] Kiyani is concerned the move will spark the nationalist elements of the Army and ISI [the Inter-Services Intelligence] to side with the pro-Islamists, and spark a civil war within the military,” said a senior US intelligence official contacted by The Long War Journal.

  37. blessedistruth Says:

    Keith Olbermann wins the “What a Maroon!” “What an Ignoranimus” award for the second time! Or is it the third time?

    Umm, the Swiss have NO single payer and NO public option and NO Medicare. In fact they have NO government-run HC, period! They have universal coverage and a strong individual mandate and spend six-tenths of what we spend per capita.

    Please Mr. Obama, throw Olbermann’s dumb ass in jail!


    No single payer? No sale. No public option? No sale. No Medicare buy-in? No sale. I am one of the self-insured, albeit by choice. And I hereby pledge that I will not buy this perversion of health care reform. Pass this at your peril, Senators, and sign it at yours, Mr. President. I will not buy this insurance. Brand me a lawbreaker if you choose. Fine me if you will. Jail me if you must.

    But if the Medicare Buy-In goes, but the Mandate stays, the people who fought so hard and so sincerely to bring sanity to this system must kill this mutated version of their dream, because those elected by us to act for us have forgotten what must be the golden rule of health care reform. It is the same one to which physicians are bound, by oath: First do no harm.

  38. blessedistruth Says:

    The lesson of Massachusetts is, broadly speaking, that you can’t cut costs simply through making changes in the insurance market.

    Health care is expensive because, well, health care is expensive.

    You have to attack at the source.

    The Massachusetts reforms didn’t do that, but the pressure of the individual mandate is forcing them to reconsider.

    The Senate health-care bill may not go as far as some would like, but it goes a lot further than anything we’ve ever done before.

    And so we end up in much the place these posts always end up.

    The Massachusetts reforms covered 97 percent of the population and improved the outlook on cost control.

    Oh, and they’re popular.

    The Senate reforms do something similar on coverage and more on cost.

    Is that enough? Probably not.

    Is it better than the status quo? Absolutely.

    An improvement on coverage, an improvement on cost control, and an improvement on cost control trends and politics is, well, an improvement.

  39. blessedistruth Says:

    Michael Moore — Another Loser

    “Boycott Connecticut!” Continued

    Michael Moore lists the Connecticut companies to boycott.

  40. blessedistruth Says:

    RE: Boycott Connecticut

    My kind of reader:

    In the boycott list: Colt’s Manufacturing Company

    Do I really need another reason to buy more firearms?

    I can see it now, “But honey, I NEED to buy a Colt, Michael Moore says we should boycott them!”

    “Oh, buy me one too then.”

    One can dream I guess…..


  41. blessedistruth Says:

    So was it 60? Not quite.

    “I’m grateful the public option and expansion of Medicare are out, but I haven’t seen the whole manager’s amendment,” Lieberman said Thursday night – a reference to the package of changes and compromises that Senator Reid will bring to the floor.

    But the Connecticut senator wasn’t the only challenge. Sen. Ben Nelson (D) of Nebraska lapped Lieberman as the No. 1 holdout when he told a Nebraska radio station that the compromise language to ban public funding of abortion wasn’t strong enough to win his vote. Reid assigned Sen. Bob Casey (D) of Pennsylvania, another opponent of abortion rights, to work out a compromise. The new deal includes help for pregnant teens and tax credits to encourage adoption.

    “These are valuable improvements that will make a positive difference and promote life,” Senator Nelson said in a statement Thursday. “But as it is, without modifications, the language concerning abortion is not sufficient.”

    As part of the effort to secure a 60th vote, President Obama met with Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine for an hour and a half at the White House on Thursday. They spoke again for half an hour on the phone before the president’s evening flight to Copenhagen, Denmark. But she’s not on board, either.

    “The legislation is going in a direction I didn’t support in committee,” she said Thursday evening. “I told the president I will continue to work, but the timing – final vote before Christmas – is completely unrealistic.”

  42. blessedistruth Says:


    Reid could offer the manager’s amendment on Saturday morning and keep to his schedule as long as he files cloture sometime before midnight.

    Cloture motions need one day to ripen, so the earliest the Senate could vote to end debate on Reid’s manager’s amendment would be 1 a.m. Monday.

    Democrats would have to allow 30 hours of post-cloture debate to elapse before voting to approve the manager’s amendment. A second cloture vote to end debate on the initial healthcare bill would happen as early as 7 a.m. Tuesday, followed by another 30 hours of post-cloture debate before a vote to adopt that amendment to the underlying bill.

    Democrats would then have to repeat the same process on the third motion to end debate on the underlying bill, setting up a cloture vote at 1 p.m. Wednesday.

    At any time, the chamber could move up a final vote if every senator agrees. But if a single senator objects, the earliest a final vote on the final package could take place would be 7 p.m. on Christmas Eve.

    And if Republicans object to fast-tracking the increase in the federal debt limit, as DeMint has threatened, the Senate would be forced to return the following week.

    Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said Treasury Department officials have informed him that the administration needs new borrowing authority by Dec. 31. Conrad said the administration may be able to extend the deadline for a short time because of loan repayments it has received from Citigroup and other banks.

    Conrad said Thursday he expected a Christmas Eve vote to pass the healthcare bill.

  43. blessedistruth Says:

    A comment I just left at Gay Patriot

    1.I have been a fan of this site almost since its inception.

    But, I’ve been a Lieberman Democrat since before then.

    And to my way of thinking, he’s handling HCR just right.

    I would have preferred the Swiss model, more along the lines of Wyden — Bennett.

    But if we can move in the direction of universal coverage WITHOUT more govt-run HC, then I think we will have dodged a bullet.

    It’s not easy being a DINO or a RINO or a GAY PATRIOT for that matter!

    Honestly, I believe continued Republican obstructionism now, and that is all it is as the Repubs in Senate have no real power, won’t be viewed with admiration through the prism of history.

    Comment by sisterrosetta — December 18, 2009 @ 2:02 pm – December 18, 2009

  44. blessedistruth Says:

    December 18, 2009

    Updated Link after additions:

    Starting on Page 1 # 17

  45. blessedistruth Says:

    More from Gay Patriot

    3.Actually sisterrosetta it is NOT obstructionism to STOP a bill that CREATES 118 new GOVERNMENT agencies that is quite simply protecting the American public from an un-Constitutional bill. I suppose you think that MANDATE that FORCES Americans to buy health insurance under penalty of jail is ok…..well 61% of US DO NOT! You sit under that 8% who call themselves liberals and WE will FIGHT this damn thing to grave to STOP IT!

    Comment by JadedByPolitcs — December 18, 2009 @ 2:46 pm – December 18, 2009

    4.Actually, if it would put Olbermann in jail, I’d be all for it!

    We cannot have universal coverage without a strong individual mandate, i.e., the penalty must be comparable to what it would cost to pay premiums.

    Without a strong individual mandate, we’re just asking for higher premiums.

    But no, jail is ridiculous.

    There are other ways to get Libertarians to ante up.

    And it’s not worth firing a shot.

    Those who truly cannot afford will receive subsidies.

    Comment by sisterrosetta — December 18, 2009 @ 3:01 pm – December 18, 2009

  46. blessedistruth Says:


    When the government tells you who you must cover, what you must cover them for, how long you must cover them, when it establishes who consumers can get insurance from and who they cant, where they can get it, what it must cover, etc…

    that IS government-run health care. It’s also called fascism.


    NO, that is the govt doing it’s job. There is a fine line between govt-run HC and the govt doing its job of oversight.

    Of course the govt must regulate.

    Honestly, can’t you see the difference?

    We don’t need another post office.

    In fact, we must minimalize govt ownership of private capital.

    Sometimes the govt must step in.

    And this is one of those times.

    Pls don’t pretend you don’t believe that.

    You know I really can’t say this better than someone who is an expert in this field:

  47. blessedistruth Says:


    Submitted on 2009/12/18 at 9:16pm

    opps – sorry Rose, posted on wrong site


    Fernley Girl

    Submitted on 2009/12/18 at 11:37pm

    Hi Rose,

    I don’t have any other way to contact you. I just wanted to wish you a joyous Christmas and a prosperous New Year, and to thank you for the gift of RosettaSister.


    A joyous Christmas and a prosperous New Year to you both!

    And I think Chanukah ends today (Saturday) at sunset? So Happy Chanukah!

    Chanukah in 2009 will start on Saturday, the 12th of December and will continue for 8 days until Saturday, the 19th of December.

    Note that in the Jewish calander, a holiday begins on the sunset of the previous day, so observing Jews will celebrate Chanukah on the sunset of Friday, the 11th of December.

    And I did see jr’s post about UFO pyramid reported over Kremlin.


  48. blessedistruth Says:


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    Image here:

  51. blessedistruth Says:

    Good images here, too.

  52. blessedistruth Says:

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    Updated Link after additions:

    Starting on Page 2 # 191

  54. blessedistruth Says:

    Do you feel the need to go to jail to protest the individual mandate?

    Please know that I love you and I am one with you.

    But while you’re in there.

    Please, please, will you slap around Olbermann and Moore just a little?

    It would make me feel so much better.

    God Damn those Bastards!

  55. blessedistruth Says:

    he he!

  56. blessedistruth Says:

    Speaking of slapping!

  57. blessedistruth Says:


    Nancy-Ann DeParle, the White House health care “czar,” predicted that the House and Senate would work to merge their bills, rather than employing a so-called “ping-pong” tactic in which the House would vote on whatever bill the Senate crafts.

    “I think we all want to get it done as soon as we can. With that said, I’ll be honest: there are some things I’d like to improve and others would like to improve,” DeParle said in a conference call with liberal bloggers on Thursday night.

    “I know we talk daily to our friends and colleagues in the House, who are just as anxious as we are to get this done,” she added. “And I think there will be a conference.

  58. blessedistruth Says:

    But Nelson also says he isn’t necessarily on board for the long haul.

    “This cloture vote is based on a FULL UNDERSTANDING that there will be a LIMITED CONFERENCE between the Senate and House,” he told reporters Saturday morning.”

    So as promised to Senator Nelson by Majority Leader Harry Reid, there will be a ‘limited conference’ which is the process known as Ping-Ponging.

    Through this process Speaker Nancy Pelosi will simply sign off on the Senate version of the bill as-is (maybe a weak change or two to make it look like they did something)…then the bill will go straight to the President for MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

    (Actually there will EITHER be a limited conference OR no conference i.e., ping pong. EITHER way Pelosi must “eat” the Senate bill OR no deal.)

  59. blessedistruth Says:

    Snowe says ‘no’ to health bill, lamenting hastened pace

    Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) said Sunday she can’t support healthcare reform legislation due to the hastened pace with which it’s being pursued.

    Snowe, the only Republican to have voted for a health reform bill during a markup in the Senate Finance Committee, said that the legislation was being rushed through the Senate.
    “Here we are today with a bill that’s dramatically different and more expansive than the Finance Committee — in fact it’s 1,200 pages more — it was placed on the floor just short of three weeks ago,” Snowe said Sunday during an appearance on CBS. “In less than 24 hours yesterday we get a 400 page amendment that was filed by the Senate Majority Leader. We are scheduled to vote on that major amendment 15 hours from now, at 1 o’clock in the morning, with no opportunity to amendment.”

    “All to get done the entire bill with no opportunity to amend it, to change it by Christmas so that we can adjourn for a three-week recess for a bill that doesn’t become implemented until 2014,” the Maine centrist added.

    Snowe had been seen as maybe the only Republican likely to cross the aisle to support Democrats’ healthcare bill, lending the bill bipartisan support. She had been a longtime critic of the public option, leaving proponents of the bill optimistic that they could win her support after that measure was nixed from the final version.

    Snowe also expressed qualms over the size of the bill, which she had been treated with the rush and manner of a legislative appropriations bill.

    But her ultimate reservations lie in the pace of the Senate debate.

    “This process denies us the opportunity to thoroughly and carefully and deliberately evaluate what’s at stake,” she said.

  60. blessedistruth Says:

    Senator Snowe’s criticisms are valid. But, honestly, this surprises me.

  61. blessedistruth Says:

    The stage is being set for a military operation in North Waziristan, whether the Pakistani establishment likes it or not. American military heavyweights have urged the government and army to expand operations into the tribal agency, and refusals to do so have not been taken lightly.

    The threat of retaliatory attacks in Pakistan notwithstanding, the decision to let the sleeping dogs of North Waziristan lie would be tantamount to declaring that the Pakistani state endorses terrorism. The Haqqani network boasts thousands of fighters with sway over much of Fata. Given that the US is planning its exit strategy from Afghanistan, the Pakistani army and agencies are understandably reluctant to stir a hornet’s nest that has been pliably buzzing away in recent years. Many intelligence stalwarts are counting on the Haqqanis to serve as ‘strategic assets’ when the time is ripe.

    But choosing not to dismantle this network now will only allow it to flourish in the future, making terrorist training camps a permanent feature of our north-western border. Since the North Waziristan Accord of 2006, Haqqani and Bahadur’s fighters have become deeply entrenched in the tribal agency. They run a parallel administrative system comprising courts, jails, recruiting offices for militants and taxation policies that are routinely enforced. Madressahs where youngsters are radicalised are reportedly mushrooming under the watchful eye of Taliban and Al Qaeda security forces.

    This parallel system poses a direct threat to the Pakistani government and offers a glimpse into a future where militant networks have been tolerated by our state for too long. For that reason, when it comes to North Waziristan, the question should not be: whose war is it anyway? It should be: can we ever claim victory against terrorism if militant networks thrive within our borders and offer a viable alternative to governance? The answer to the second question is a resounding no. Therefore, Pakistan should move into North Waziristan — but on its own timeline, not that of the US.

  62. blessedistruth Says:

    According to NBC and ABC journalist Mark Schone, “Zawahiri’s Wife Releases Statement, Tells Women They Can Be Suicide Bombers.”

    What’s this? The twisted triumph of feminism, Islamist-style? Women have been suicide killers before. Palestinians have forced/manipulated women as well a men into killing themselves as a way to kill Israeli civilians; various Muslim groups in Iraq and Iran, as well as the Tamil Tigers have also forced/manipulated women to become suicide killers.

    Why is Al-Qaeda’s Zawahiri allowing one of his four (or more) wives to take such an active public role? And, why now?

    Omaima Hassan , Zawahiri’s wife, first reminds women that their primary role is that of bearing and breeding a jihadic fighter’s sons. She counsels women to support jihad by keeping the warrior’s secrets and his home, and by wearing hijab. She also disapproves of women going out without a male escort or guide. But then, in an unconfirmed report, she goes further. According to Schone:

    “Hassan also suggests that women can become suicide bombers, which she refers to as ‘martyrdom missions.’”

    This is certainly different from what her husband said in 2008, in a “two-hour recorded interview posted on a web site.” Zawahiri, who is believed to be in Pakistan, insisted “that Al Qaeda did not have women members, and that the role of women in jihad was limited to taking care of the children of fighters and maintaining their homes.”

    One conclusion: Watch out for suicide bombers wearing burqas.

  63. blessedistruth Says:

    Henk says:
    20 december 2009 om 19:28 December 20, 2009 at 19:28

    Overal word de dood van Montazeri aangegrepen om te protesteren tegen het Regime.

    Everywhere the word death Mont Azeri seized to protest against the regime.

  64. blessedistruth Says:

    Najaf Abad is mourning Ayatollah Montazeri 29 Azar 20 Dec

  65. blessedistruth Says:

    Iran Updates

  66. blessedistruth Says:

    Mothers have arranged to gather every Saturday in Laleh Park, until their demands are met.

    After the demonstrations they go to the house of one of the martyrs to sympathize with the mourning mother.

    Today after the gathering, Mothers went to Neda Agha Soltan’s house to make a vow in continuing their action until meeting their demands which is arrest and trial of those responsible for killing, arrest, torture, and rape of youth in streets and jails.

    Mothers finished their protest action in Neda Agha Soltan’s house by shouting “Allah is Great” five times for the happiness of the soul of all martyrs, especially Neda, and five times of the same chant for the release of all political prisoners.

    Human Rights and Democracy Activists in Iran
    December 19, 2009

  67. blessedistruth Says:

    Abbas blames Iranian regime for continued political split in Palestine

    Bethlehem – Ma’an –

    President Mahmoud Abbas accused Iran of putting pressure on Hamas to delay the signing of a conciliation agreement brokered by Egypt, an interview with the Palestinian leader in Egypt’s Al-Ahram revealed Saturday.

    “Pressures were placed on the leadership of Hamas in Damascus that led to Hamas backtracking from signing the Egyptian conciliation document,” Abbas said, accusing Hamas of accepting upwards of 250 million US dollars from Iran in exchange for the unity rejection.

    Despite the accusations, Abbas said he would be willing to meet with Hamas “when I feel there is hope that we will sign conciliation.”

  68. blessedistruth Says:

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    If the Senate passes the bill as expected – after two more procedural votes this week and a final vote set for 7 p.m. Christmas Eve – House and Senate negotiators will begin the arduous process of melding two substantially different bills. Democrats are optimistic they can reach a final compromise, but that is by no means assured.

    And within minutes of the vote, two of the final Democratic holdouts, Sens. Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Joe Lieberman (Conn.) were already threatening to withhold their votes if the bill drifts closer to the House bill, which includes a public health insurance option and different ways to pay for reform.

    “Conferences with the House often split the difference. This is a very fragile balance that brought 60 together. So I think it’s critically important if we’re going to adopt health care reform legislation that the bill that comes back from conference is essentially what passed the Senate,” Lieberman said. “I know that’s asking a lot of our colleagues in the House, but that’s the practicality of where we are.”

    Those are fighting words to House members – who bristle at being dictated to by the upper chamber – but some House Democrats have acknowledged they may have little choice but to stick with the bulk of the Senate bill, if they hope to preserve health reform.

  72. blessedistruth Says:

    I heard Senator Barrasso of Wyoming say again this morning that he expects Reid and Pelosi to play ping pong — so NO conference.

    The only ones who can derail this process now are lefties — and we all know what stubborn dumb asses THEY are!

  73. blessedistruth Says:

    Health Costs Table

  74. blessedistruth Says:

    Rush Limbaugh, anyone?

  75. blessedistruth Says:

    Obviously Repubs in Senate and House believe that whatever Obama signs into law (most likely Reid’s manager’s amendment) will be a disaster for Dems.

    I’m not seeing it.

    Honestly I think it a shame that centrist Repubs didn’t see the writing on the wall and exchange a yea vote for improving the bill.

    And I’d like to see McConnell and Boehner replaced, but that probably won’t happen until after 2010 midterms.

  76. blessedistruth Says:

    It would seem I will have friend and foe alike in jail protesting the individual mandate.

    I just hope a friend shares a cell with Olbermann, so he can slap him around. Just a little.

    Anyways, good article here.

    Will people comply with health-insurance mandate?

  77. blessedistruth Says:

    You cannot have universal health insurance without a mandate.

    But another way to look at it is this:

    Americans are still not used to the way universal health-insurance systems work.

    Mr Olbermann, for example, is angry that working-class Americans will be obliged to buy health insurance that could cost up to 17% of their incomes.

    Mr Olbermann is right; that figure is too high.

    But there is plenty of time before 2013 to ensure that no one ends up paying such extortionate premiums, and it’s a good bet that, if reform passes, no one will.

    What happens in systems where people are obliged to buy health insurance is that, if such insurance is unaffordable, governments are forced to find a way for people to afford it, or governments are voted out of office.

    In the Netherlands and Switzerland, the private-based universal health-insurance models to which America’s current reform aspires, governments employ a mixture of provider-cost controls, premium regulations, and subsidies to make sure nobody has to pay 17% of their income for health insurance.

    If people were forced to pay that much for health insurance, governments would fall—and they have.

  78. blessedistruth Says:

    December 21, 2009

    Updated Link after additions:

  79. blessedistruth Says:

    There was a Bill Cosby comedy album many moons ago.

    He spoke of cocaine abusers who claimed the drug “accentuates your personality.”

    Bill Cosby’s reply, “Yeah, but what if you’re an asshole?!”

    That’s exactly how I feel about Keith Olbermann.

  80. blessedistruth Says:


    Earth is my mother, no other, my sanctuary. But earth is my prison, my grave and my mortuary.

    Give me a castle in the sun where rainbows have ends and people are one.

    Show me an earth where the birth of a child disguised as the word can be recognized.

    Earth is my nation, my station, obligatory. But earth is my sorrow, my curses’ depository.

    Give me a table beyond the clouds where there’s enough food to feed all the crowds.

    Show me an earth where the birth of a child disguised as the word can be recognized.

    Let me hear my other voice who guides me now but gives me choice.

    Tell me where to find the friend should He pass this way again.

    Remember Akka for his sake, the earth is but a snake to His voice that spake.

    Earth is my mother, no other, my sanctuary. But earth is my prison, my grave and my mortuary.

    Give me a castle in the sun where rainbows have ends and people are one.

    Show me an earth where the birth of a child disguised as the word can be recognized.

  81. blessedistruth Says:

    Pretty funny headline!

    News of First Major Progressive Legislation in 30 Years Enrages Liberals

    Ugh. Shut up, bill-killing liberals.

  82. blessedistruth Says:

    As Obamacare hurtles towards final passage in the Senate, Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) is casting a glance toward the House.

    If Harry Reid’s bill heads there, Democrats “have a choice,” McConnell tells NRO.

    “They can either have a conference or message back between each chamber to modify the bill.

    Either way, whatever they come up with will require 60 votes in the Senate again.”

    (McConnell is referencing what is known as a legislative “ping pong,” where the two chambers communicate without forming a conference committee.)

    “Will the Left back down in the House?” wonders McConnell.

    “That’s the big question.

    Abortion language could be the snag in the path to final passage, if you listen to what the Blue Dogs and Congressman Stupak are saying.”

    However the bill is hashed out, once it comes back to the Senate, “Democrats are going to have some interesting negotiations amongst themselves to see if they can square some of their differences,” predicts McConnell.

    “We won’t make it easy at any point.”

    Still, he admits, “the moment Specter went over, they had 60, so they can do anything they want to do if they stick together.”

    (But if Reid and Pelosi choose to play ping pong rather than conference, then after House passes Senate bill with NO changes, off to Obama for signature. At least that is my understanding.)

    (But if there is a conference, it will have to be a limited one to keep all 60 senators on board.)

  83. blessedistruth Says:

    Assuming the Senate passes the bill, there are three different scenarios that could happen before it gets to the President.

    *Ping-pong: The House may choose to take up the Senate bill and make changes to garner support and send it back to the Senate where it once again must achieve a 60 vote threshold. This is unlikely.

    *Conference Report: A robust conference committee is less likely at this point, but should that occur, final passage in the Senate will still require 60 votes for passage.

    *The House simply accepts the Senate bill through an up-or-down vote: Although Speaker Pelosi has said she doesn’t want to simply accept the Senate bill, it remains to be seen if they will simply get this bad legislation to the President in the quickest way possible.

    (Scenario three — I thought this was the ping pong option. Well, whatever it’s called, there will EITHER be no conference OR a limited conference and expect the 60 senators to stick together.)

  84. blessedistruth Says:

    House Should Just Copy Senate’s Bill

    Mother Jones’s Kevin Drum asks, “should the House just skip the conference committee on healthcare reform entirely and simply vote on the bill produced by the Senate?”

    The public option will have to be cut from the House version, the Senate version has looser abortion restrictions, and the other differences might not be worth the trouble.

    “[I]t’s hard to see any other substantial improvements that are likely to come out of it.

    So: go to conference and risk another month of squabbling and possible defections?

    Or take the imperfect Senate bill and get it passed for certain within a few days of returning from recess?”

    Drum says the latter.

  85. blessedistruth Says:

    While Reid may play along with the objections, he will be busy with Madam Pelosi on trying to do an end run of a conference.

    How? Ping pong.

    The House will have two options:

    they can either pass the Senate language or insist on their bill (or make new changes) and then send it back to the Senate for a new vote.

    The ping-pong process, you may recall, is something Democrats started using extensively in 2007 to avoid the problems and scrutiny of conference committees and allow senior Democrats to write legislation by themselves, in direct contradiction of the pledges by Pelosi and other to restore regular order after 2006.

    So it seems now that the action to watch has shifted to the House.

  86. blessedistruth Says:


    Mountain of Money

    Sen. Judd Gregg says expense of Senate health care bill would burden future generations

  87. blessedistruth Says:

    Senator Gregg’s Press Release on fast-track task force which he mentions in above video

    IMHO, this will be the next big thing, at least that is my hope.



  88. blessedistruth Says:

    I think I heard Senator Gregg say that, as of today, there are 40 co-sponsors in Senate.

    Not enough yet, but a good start.


    In addition to Senators Conrad and Gregg, the Bipartisan Task Force for Responsible Fiscal Action Act of 2009 was introduced with 25 original co-sponsors, including:

    Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
    Senator Michael Bennet (D-CO) Senator Robert Bennett (R-UT)
    Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) Senator Christopher Bond (R-MO)
    Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS)
    Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
    Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) Senator Bob Corker (R-TN)
    Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE) Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID)
    Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) Senator John Ensign (R-NV)
    Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) Senator Michael Enzi (R-WY)
    Senator Mark Udall (D-CO) Senator Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
    Senator Mark Warner (D-VA) Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX)
    Senator Mike Johanns (R-NE)
    Senator George LeMieux (R-FL)
    Senator George Voinovich (R-OH)

  89. blessedistruth Says:

    If Obama was truly committed to reining us in from our unsustainable debt path, he would get behind this Act 100%.

    Hey, he’s bombing the sh*t out of our enemies, he let go of his single-payer dream. One can hope.


    S.2853 – Bipartisan Task Force for Responsible Fiscal Action Act of 2009
    A bill to establish a Bipartisan Task Force for Responsible Fiscal Action, to assure the long-term fiscal stability and economic security of the Federal Government of the United States, and to expand future prosperity growth for all Americans.

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  91. blessedistruth Says:

    Updated Link after additions

    Starting on Page 1 # 3 # 16 etcetera

  92. blessedistruth Says:

    curious to know what I was posting a year ago

  93. blessedistruth Says:

    WH putting health-care off until … February?

  94. blessedistruth Says:

    Senator Cites New Budget Letter to Argue Health Care Bill Will Hike Deficit

    Sessions reached his calculations after speaking to CBO Director Doug Elmendorf.

    In his letter to Sessions, Elmendorf wrote that government counts money two ways, either through trust fund accounting, in which money is borrowed from future Medicare payments to pay for existing Medicare programs but is like a revolving line of credit, or unified budget accounting, in which the trust fund money is borrowed from Medicare but then spent on other health care programs that don’t generate money to be be paid back into Medicare later.

    “The key point is that the savings to the (Hospital Insurance) trust fund under the (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) would be received by the government only once, so they cannot be set aside to pay for future Medicare spending and, at the same time, pay for current spending on other parts of the legislation or on other programs,” Elmendorf wrote.

    “To describe the full amount of HI trust fund savings as both improving the government’s ability to pay future Medicare benefits and financing new spending outside of Medicare would essentially double-count a large share of those savings and thus overstate the improvement in the government’s fiscal position,” he wrote.

    Sessions said the cuts to Medicare can extend the government program or create money for a new entitlement program — but not both.

    “Either you’ve weakened the Medicare substantially or you’re going to have no money to spend on the new program that’s being created,” he said. “You cannot spend this money twice.”

    The news comes as Democrats push the Senate health care bill past the last of three procedural votes Wednesday afternoon. Final passage of the bill is set for Thursday morning, Christmas Eve, making the 25th consecutive day of Senate debate on health care.

    Once passed, the bill would have to be merged with a House version before Obama could sign it into law.

  95. blessedistruth Says:

    Sen. Jeff Sessions points to a chart during a health care news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2009. (AP Photo/Harry Hamburg)

  96. cynkading Says:

    Merry Christmas Rosie!!! I pray that you and your family have a very blessed and happy new year!!!Love ya girl!!

  97. cynkading Says:

    btw, I did go and revisit your threads from last year around this time 🙂

  98. sisterrosetta Says:

    From John fund

    But serious dialogue isn’t what Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid are interested in right now. Look for the traditional conference committee to be replaced by a “ping-pong” game in which health care is finalized behind closed doors with little public scrutiny before the bill is rushed to the floor of each chamber for a final vote.

  99. blessedistruth Says:

    Link for John Fund article:

  100. blessedistruth Says:

    From James Pethokoukis

    UPDATE: Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former CBO director, adds his two cents:

    I read the CBO and they made the point exactly right: money can only be spent once. The D’s are (again) trying to use dollars twice. The first time (Bennet) amendment said they would not reduce Medicare benefits, but used medicare savings to fund subsidies. Now they are saying they will put the money in the trust fund (and spend it on medicare) but use it to fund subsidies. It is fundamentally dishonest.

  101. blessedistruth Says:


    Once leaders decide how to merge the bills, the House will probably take up the Senate bill, then amend it to reflect the negotiations.

    The Senate would follow.

    (In an apparent attempt to make wonkish legislative tactics appear whimsical, this procedure is known as “ping pong” inside the Capitol.)

    That would be faster, and potentially make it easier for Democratic leaders to steer, than appointing official conferees; for one thing, the GOP could use Senate rules to delay the start of a conference committee.

    What the ping pong plan means for the final product is hard to predict.

  102. blessedistruth Says:

    But key conservatives in the Senate, like Lieberman and Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson, say they won’t vote for a final bill that strays too much from the version the Senate passed Thursday.

    And since the legislation will, once again, need 60 votes to get past procedural obstacles in the Senate, that’s a serious threat.

    So the negotiations may focus on making insurance more affordable for the millions of people who will still need help buying the coverage they’re required to get.

    The Congressional Budget Office says the Senate bill would save $132 billion over the next 10 years, and some of that money could be used to expand access to community health clinics, beef up subsidies and other affordability improvements.

    “You have some money to spare, because you’re so deep in the black,” one senior Senate Democratic aide says.

    “You figure out where you can spend some money to help” — both help people get insurance, and help keep progressives on board with the bill.

    Also, look for the final bill to include as many provisions that take effect sooner, rather than later, as possible.

    Democrats worry about polls showing the legislation isn’t popular with voters, and there is, after all, another election only 11 months away.

    Being able to point to some concrete examples of how the bill helped people now would ease those worries dramatically.

    (The Senate Finance Committee has already posted a list of immediate changes the bill would provide, including a ban on dropping coverage for patients who get sick.)

    Very tentative informal talks will take place next week, aides say, and staffers from the House and Senate will begin meeting the first week in January.

    Once the House returns from its winter break, lawmakers will start meeting.

    Chances are the bill could be ready for passage by late January or early February.

  103. blessedistruth Says:

    Latest Rasmussen Obama Approval

    44% — 56%

  104. Troy Says:

    Merry Christmas, Foxie Rosie!!! 😉

  105. Katie Says:

    Merry Christmas, Rose!

  106. patriotamy Says:

    Merry Christmas! May your family be blessed in the coming year with happiness and health.

  107. blessedistruth Says:

    cyn, troy, katie, amy, jr, etc.

    Merry Christmas to you special people.

    Our son is visiting.

    And between my husband and my son requiring my undivided attention and not letting me near my desktop, I’ve sorta been knocked offline.

    But I don’t mind.

    I hope to get catch up tomorrow (Saturday) at some point.

    My husband won’t be here and my son will be on a plane.

    The following post will be for all you.


    Foxy Rosie

  108. blessedistruth Says:


  109. blessedistruth Says:

    1. Little Hours
    2. Good at Love
    3. Me Be Me
    4. Manchild
    5. ‘Til I Get There
    6. City
    7. Numbers
    8. Hurry Up Sky
    9. Passive People
    10. Regular Life
    11. Gold
    12. I Could Fall (in Love with You)

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    163 — 169

  111. blessedistruth Says:

    Merry Christmas, good people!

  112. sisterrosetta Says:

    Menendez said a total of five states would receive protections.To be honest, we’re not sure how many states or people will be protected since senators and their staff are using different numbers and estimates.Here’s what we do know: Nelson’s provision in the health care bill will protect some seniors in Florida and others in Oregon, New York, New Jersey and California. A chief critic of the provision, McCain, and the independent Kaiser Family Foundation, say it will cost about $5 billion. McLaughlin, Nelson’s aide, puts the total at about $7.5 billion.

    Me .. This seems fundamentally unfair and fundamentally illegal

    I want hcr more than most but how can this stand?

  113. blessedistruth Says:

    Link for above article on Medicare Advantage — Bill Nelson v John McCain

  114. blessedistruth Says:

    Legal challenges are already under discussion on three separate issues.

    As previously reported, the attorneys general of nine States (and the attorney-general-elect of Virginia) have already agreed to consider options for challenging the bill on Constitutional grounds arising from the Nebraska exemption.

    (Requests for comment by New Jersey Governor-elect Chris Christie are now pending.) reports that Matthew Staver of the advocacy group Liberty Counsel has already announced plans to sue on the ground that requiring any person to purchase any product or service as a condition of citizenship or lawful residence far exceeds the scope of the powers of Congress under the Constitution.

    Staver also charged that the measure “exempts certain religions but not others.”

    Liberty University, where Staver serves as dean of the law school, will be the first of many anticipated plaintiffs in any such lawsuit.

    Separately, Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch USA has already filed his own lawsuit against the White House, complaining that President Barack Obama has met in secret with representatives of Planned Parenthood and other abortion-rights advocacy groups, in violation of the Federal Advisory Committee Act, which requires that any such meetings must be publicly disclosed and publicly accessible.

  115. blessedistruth Says:

    •Despite $120 billion in Medicare Advantage cuts, the Manager’s Amendment found a way for Florida residents, as well as some individuals in Pennsylvania and New York, and potentially Oregon, to be grandfathered out of receiving the cuts.

    (Again, what about equal protection, eg., why shouldn’t retirees in AZ get the same treatment? Did Reid deliver HCR which won’t ever materialize due to numerous court battles?)

  116. blessedistruth Says:

    Bill Nelson: “I Only Care About Retirees in 3 Florida Counties, Everybody Else Can Eff Off”!

    In a deceitful ploy to take care of his special interest base in specific counties in Florida, Bill threw the rest of the state under the bus in Reid’s Healthcare Plan. Here’s what happened:

    He requested a “special favor” to only part of Florida – Miami-Date/Palm Beach and Broward Counties.

    That special favor prevents Medicare Advantage cuts to these counties.

    The rest of us will just have to suffer the cuts and do with less healthcare benefits than those in South Florida.

    He said he dislikes Medicare Advantage and then goes behind our backs and gets a special deal for those who do in his rich base of voters in South Florida.

    He is doing nothing more than trying to win votes with the wealthier and larger population in South Florida.

    It is amazing that he is our State Senator and yet he only represents half the state.

    From Central Florida up to North Florida and into the Panhandle – we evidently do not have any representation in Washington.

  117. blessedistruth Says:


  118. song Says:

    Just to say “Hola” my friend.

    Your friend,


    Love to you!

  119. blessedistruth Says:

  120. blessedistruth Says:

    Hadn’t been to this site before.

    Funny, went to see Avatar last night. Some were sitting there equating the evil Earthlings with us ugly Americans.

    And I’m like, no … We’re the Natives!

  121. blessedistruth Says:

  122. blessedistruth Says:

    “Concessions” lawmakers won in the health bill


    SEN. BEN NELSON, D-NEB., who provided the critical 60th vote that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid needed, received numerous benefits for Nebraska, along with tighter curbs on abortion. Among the Nebraska-specific provisions:

    _The federal government will pick up the full cost of a proposed expansion of Medicaid, at an estimated cost of $100 million over 10 years.

    _Blue Cross Blue Shield of Nebraska will be exempted from an annual fee on insurers; the exemption could also apply to nonprofit insurers in other states, possibly including Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan.

    _Supplemental “Medigap” policies such as those sold by Mutual of Omaha are exempted from the annual fee on insurers, something that would help other companies selling such policies.

    _A physician-owned hospital being built in Bellevue, Neb., could get referrals from doctors who own it, avoiding a new ban in the Senate bill that will apply to hospitals built in the future. Without mentioning Nebraska or other states by name, the Senate bill pushes back some legal deadlines by several months, in effect making a few hospitals near completion eligible to continue receiving referrals from the doctors who own them.

    SEN. MAX BAUCUS, D-MONT., chairman of the Finance Committee and a key architect of the legislation, put in a provision to help the 2,900 residents of Libby, Mont., many of whom have asbestos-related illnesses from a now-defunct mineral mine. Under Baucus’ provision, which never mentions Libby by name, sickened residents could sign up for Medicare benefits.

    SEN. CHRISTOPHER DODD, D-CONN., who is facing a difficult re-election next year, added an item making $100 million available for construction of a hospital at a public university. The measure leaves it up to the Health and Human Services Department to decide where to spend the money. Dodd says more than a dozen sites could be eligible, but he hopes the University of Connecticut will be the beneficiary.

    SEN. PATRICK LEAHY, D-VT., negotiated $600 million in additional Medicaid benefits for his state over 10 years. He said Vermont is due the additional benefits because the state already has acted to expand Medicaid eligibility to the levels now contemplated by the federal government. Vermont would be unfairly penalized if other states are now being helped with that expansion, he said. Massachusetts is getting $500 million in Medicaid help for similar reasons.

    SEN. MARY LANDRIEU, D-LA., a key moderate, withheld her support from the legislation until she was able to procure Medicaid help worth at least $100 million in 2011 from the federal government.

    SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, I-VT., who was angered after a new government-run health plan was dropped from the legislation to win over moderates like Nelson and Landrieu, held out on backing the bill until Reid, D-Nev., agreed to a $10 billion increase in support for community health centers.

    SEN. BILL NELSON, D-FLA., pushed a provision he said will let about 800,000 Florida seniors enrolled in private Medicare Advantage plans keep their extra benefits. It also helps seniors in a handful of other states. Elsewhere, Medicare Advantage patients risk losing benefits because the private plans are a major target of planned cuts to Medicare.



    _Doctors and hospitals in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming will get paid more than providers in other states under formulas in the bill designed to help the so-called Frontier States.

  123. blessedistruth Says:

    Will States Challenge the “Nebraska Compromise”?

    The AP reports several state attorneys general are looking into potential legal challenges to the health care bill (assuming it passes).

    The top prosecutors in seven states are probing the constitutionality of a political deal that cut a funding break for Nebraska in order to pass a federal health care reform bill, South Carolina’s attorney general said Tuesday.Attorney General Henry McMaster said he and his counterparts in Alabama, Colorado, Michigan, North Dakota, Texas and Washington state — all Republicans — are jointly taking a look at the deal they’ve dubbed the “Nebraska compromise.”

    “The Nebraska compromise, which permanently exempts Nebraska from paying Medicaid costs that Texas and all other 49 states must pay, may violate the United States Constitution — as well as other provisions of federal law,” Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said.

    I am quite sympathetic to the idea that special treatment of one state, or broader differential treatment of different states, for tax or regulatory purposes is problematic.

    Such measures are significantly more so than traditional pork-barrel appropriations.

    Federal laws should be laws of general application.

    Yet I am unsure of the basis upon which such things could be challenged as unconstitutional, and the AP story linked above is sketchy on the details of what the various state AGs are planning.

  124. blessedistruth Says:

    Texas AG Outraged by Senate Health Care Provision

    Texas AG Abbott outraged at provision in Senate health care bill and vows to fight it

    Abbott said the provision, which helped win Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson’s vote on the massive health care bill, was unfair and possibly unconstitutional. It’s part of a Senate bill that was approved Thursday morning.

    “From a fundamental fairness perspective this is both wrong and outrageous,” Abbott told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. “Usually when that is the case you can either find law that will support your position or a court who will agree with you.”

    Abbott said he and other attorneys general are preparing a legal analysis and plan to hold more telephone meetings early next week. He said the legal analysis was still in its “early stages” but characterized his fight against the measure as being on the “top of our list” of priorities heading into 2010.

    “If it is upheld, then there really are no limitations in actions that Congress can take where literally they’re taking taxpayer dollars from one state and giving it to another,” Abbott said.

  125. sisterrosetta Says:

    Iran updates

  126. blessedistruth Says:

    more iran updates

  127. blessedistruth Says:

    A lot of good Iran video here:

  128. blessedistruth Says:

  129. blessedistruth Says:

    Great pics here!

  130. blessedistruth Says:

    Basij and Police Stations Evacuate to Prevent Guns Reaching People

  131. blessedistruth Says:

    Updated Link after additions:

    December 27, 2009

  132. song Says:

    Read UFO data, thank you.

    Prayers are with Iranian people today.

  133. blessedistruth Says:

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