Far from triumphing court

    The Archangels triumphing over Lucifer by Marco D’Oggiono

    Far from triumphing Court and wonted glory
    He dwelt in shady unfrequented places,
    Time's prisoner now, he made his pastime story;
    Glady forgets Court's erst-afforded graces.
    That goddess whom he served to heaven is gone,
    And he on earth in darkness left to moan.
    But lo, a glorious light from his dark rest
    Shone from the place where erst this goddess dwelt;
    A light whose beams the world with fruit hath blest;
    Blest was the knight while he that light beheld.
    Since then a star fixed on his head hath shined,
    And a saint's image in his heart is shrined.
    Ravished with joy, so graced by such a saint,
    He quite forgat his cell and self denaid;
    He thought it shame in thankfulness to faint,
    Debts due to princes must be duly paid;
    Nothing so hateful to a noble mind
    As finding kindness for to prove unkind.
    But ah! poor knight, though thus in dream he ranged,
    Hoping to serve this saint in sort most meet,
    Time with his golden locks to silver changed
    Hath with age-fetters bound him hands and feet.
    Ay me! he cries, goddess, my limbs grow faint,
    Though I Time's prisoner be, be you my saint.




The Ecstasis of St. Cecilia is a painting by the Italian High Renaissance painter Raphael.

A Musicall Banquet (1610) – Furnished with a varietie of delicious Ayres, collected out of the best authors in English, French, Spanish and Italian
Nigel Rogers (tenor), Anthony Bailes (lute), Jordi Savall (viola da gamba)










(09 Far from triumphing Court)













Jordi Savall suona al Premio nazionale “Classic Voice” per il disco classico musiche di Marais e di altri autori del barocco francese per viola da gamba


64 Responses to “Far from triumphing court”

  1. blessedistruth Says:


    Title: Obama’s Public Health Care Talk
    Published: Mon, 8 Feb 2010

    Description: ‘All-Star’ panel on president’s plan to discuss reform with GOP and Dems in front of TV cameras

    Automatically Generated Transcript (may not be 100% accurate)


    (Mara Liasson is about as honest a reporter as one can find these days. For her to say the following, I think, says a lot.)

    ” let’s talk about the motivation of the president this white house on this issue a

    take a listen to the health and human services. Secretary today speaking about what the president still want to — health care reform legislation.”

    ” The president remains committed to. The notion that we have to have a comprehensive approach because the pieces — to. Closely tied to one another and it’s disingenuous to say we’re for the insurance reforms. And yet don’t support — notion that everyone would have to come into the marketplace.”

    ” By the sounds like a stalemate in the making

    I think it’s — the stalemate I think this is real community theater

    this is. I — a political spectacle

    I think the White House would like to show the country. That the Republican ideas either don’t add up or. I think the promise they don’t even have the same goals

    the Democrats want to cover everyone Republicans don’t

    the Republicans I think would be okay with some insurance reforms.

    And I think in the end. Nothing will come of this

    but from the White House point of view they can show that they try to trying to be bipartisan

    they could even though I think this would be a smart things —

    look at medical malpractice reform will take — Covered over state lines in other words take a couple Republican ideas.

    Just take them.

    But the problem is the Republicans I think have an easy task at this meeting

    all they have to do is say your bill is unpopular the people don’t like it we wanna start over.

    And the president will say will you don’t even want to cover every one.

    In I don’t know that politics after I think that he heard Massachusetts and Democrats heard Massachusetts.

    Is it dangerous politics to say oh let’s go back to — depends what you heard from Massachusetts

    did you hear from Massachusetts that that the entire country wants you to scrap. Health care reform

    the Democrats do not think they heard that. –“

  2. blessedistruth Says:


    Also, new data show 4Q may get downgraded a couple of notches
    about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

    Macroeconomic Advisers: 1Q GDP coming in around 3.3 percent. Meh.
    about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

  3. blessedistruth Says:

    Leverage Sought In Health Summit


    The president has repeatedly urged his allies to finish the legislation, but hasn’t laid out a clear path to get the measure through the final votes in Congress now that the party has lost its 60-vote Senate supermajority.

    On one level, there is potential for common ground.

    Several of Republican ideas have already been incorporated into the Democratic bills, such as some new rules for insurance companies and allowing people to buy coverage across state lines.

    But Democrats want to go much further, spending some $1 trillion over a decade to subsidize health insurance for some 30 million Americans.

    The Republican bill would spend just $61 billion over a decade, but would only cover about three million additional people, leaving about 52 million uninsured, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

    (“leaving about 52 million uninsured” — if memory serves, that number includes illegals)

    Mr. Obama said he’ll challenge Republicans to explain how they will cover large numbers of uninsured people.

    But Rep. Dave Camp (R., Mich.) rejected that standard.

    “We didn’t portray our bill as being universal coverage,” he said in an interview. “We never attempted to do that.”

    (I still say we need a Gang of 14 or a Gang of 28 to get anything done.)

    (Reid Pelosi McConnell and Boehner have failed.)

  4. blessedistruth Says:

    … the bills which passed the House and Senate would be the base for discussion, and they would not be scrapped.

    I fully expect Republicans to sorrowfully say that they can no longer participate in such a sham of an exercise.

    This will doubtlessly make David Broder weep real tears.

    But the summit was more of an exercise than anything else, and now the real exercise will be the spin war over which side backed out or which side proved their point.

    “Republicans don’t want a bill at all and don’t want to help Democrats get to one.”

    (Or maybe “the bills which passed the House and Senate” should be scrapped.)

    Democrats just wanted to add a patina of transparency and bipartisanship onto the process to soothe jittery members of their caucus.

    Doesn’t look like this summit will provide that.

    By: David Dayen

  5. blessedistruth Says:

    “The people who sent us here expect a seriousness of purpose that transcends petty politics.”

    How can Obama say this with a straight face when he is all about politics all the time?

    There is a serious trust deficit when it comes to Obama.

    If enough people do not believe that he means what he says, his agenda is doomed.

  6. blessedistruth Says:

    47% — 53%

    Rasmussen Obama Approval

    Still pretty bad for Obama.

  7. blessedistruth Says:

    Joost Niemoller Dutch blog on Iran


  8. blessedistruth Says:

    February 8th, 2010 8:50 pm

    What Is Iran Planning for Thursday?


    Khamenei, whose public statements should be taken seriously, is promising some sort of devastating “punch” against the West on Thursday the 11th, the same day as the Green Movement is calling for a monster protest against his regime.

    What might he have in mind?

    Since June 12th, the regime has arrested slightly more than 11,000 people, more than 3,000 of whom are still in those nightmare cells. Executions continue at a regular tempo, as does torture.

    The Greens expect the regime to go all out on Thursday. The leaders believe they will be arrested on Friday, and are prepared for it. In his recent interview Mousavi remarked that a large number of his best friends were in prison, and he was sad not to be with them.

    He also said that the Green Movement did not depend on his leadership, or anyone else’s.

    That theory may be about to be tested by Ali Khamenei, starting Thursday.

  9. blessedistruth Says:


    Mehdi Saharkhiz Interviewed by Ivan Watson of CNN Exiled Iranian spreads word

  10. blessedistruth Says:

    February 9, 2010


  11. blessedistruth Says:

    “Marjah Marines”

    U.S. Marines are preparing a massive full-scale invasion against the Taliban which will consist of over 30,000 American and NATO troops in the Afghanistan town of Marjah.

  12. blessedistruth Says:

    CAMP LEATHERNECK, Afghanistan
    Thu Feb 4, 2010 10:45am EST


    The biggest military operation of U.S. President Barack Obama’s new Afghan surge will be a test not just for American troops, but also for the Afghan authorities expected to rush with them into the breach.

  13. blessedistruth Says:

    Know Your Enemy

    The Taliban network of Jalaluddin and Siraj Haqqani

    al Qaeda would be given safe passage ???


    In return for trying to rein in the Haqqanis, Pakistan will be looking for a friendly Afghanistan and for ways to stem the growing Indian presence there, Pakistani and American officials said.

    In briefings last week with reporters at his army headquarters, the usually reticent General Kayani repeated his offer at NATO to play a constructive role, while making it clear Pakistan was seeking broad influence in southern Afghanistan. The Haqqani network would be one of Pakistan’s strongest levers to do that.

    One strand of thinking within the Obama administration calls for allowing the Pakistanis to keep the Haqqanis as part of Pakistan’s sphere of influence in southern Afghanistan, but only if Pakistan forces the Haqqanis to break with Al Qaeda and to push militants out of its areas, an American official said.

    And finally, al Qaeda would be given safe passage out of the region.

    According to a Pakistani military official, the Pakistanis would first have to resolve where Qaeda fighters would go and whether they might be given safe passage to Yemen or another location.

  14. blessedistruth Says:

    It could also be that Pakistan cannot deliver “its” Taliban on terms acceptable to the U.S., or at all.

    For instance, the article mentioned safe passage for al-Qaida as one possible way to split the Haqqani network from the group.

    That’s clearly anathema to a U.S. strategy that is — in theory, anyway — based on eliminating al-Qaida as a security threat.

    World Politics Review

  15. blessedistruth Says:

    ufohq.org – The world’s largest UFO news and information resource – updated live 24 X 7 X 365



  16. blessedistruth Says:


    With Russia now seriously regarding Apophis as a highly probable threat to Earth in 2036, a physicist’s startling new discovery may add to the certainty that extraterrestrials are urging us to take immediate action to deflect it.


    Once Again – the Red Meteor

    Noting that Billy Meier


    referred to Apophis as the Red Meteor, Hahnekamp theorized that the extraterrestrials deliberately used red because it’s universally recognized as a danger symbol and synonymous with STOP. Unlike mathematics, no special level of education is needed to understand its meaning. The extraterrestrials apparently also foresaw that most early assessments by earth scientists would be inaccurate and so they used color (red) to signal the level of certainty of collision to the scientific community.

    The fact that the Torino Scale was not created until 1995 – 3 years after Meier published the warning – eliminates any possible backdating of the information. It also reinforces the extraterrestrial’s warning that Earth scientists immediately collaborate to deflect the meteor from its collision course with Europe in 2036.

  17. blessedistruth Says:

  18. blessedistruth Says:

    Sci-Fi channels UFO documentary “Out of the Blue” gives a brief history of UFO’s including famous sightings, eyewitness reports etc.

  19. blessedistruth Says:

    More Like This:


  20. blessedistruth Says:

    Moussavi’s wife badly beaten


    As she made her way toward Sadeqieh Square to to join today’s rally, Zahra Rahnavard was surrounded and attacked by plainclothes and uniformed security forces. The plainclothes agents attacked Rahnavard with fists and batons and injured her head and back.


  21. blessedistruth Says:

    Protesters take over Aria Shahr/Update on Tehran clashes


  22. blessedistruth Says:

    VIDEO: Report on Clash Between Guards and Citizens

    Iran News Agency – 4:00pm Tehran:

    Around 700-800 security forces deployed around Ponak area (Tehran West).

    In Ponak Square, between Ashrafi Isfahani Street and Sadeghie, clashes broke out between citizens and police.

    Caged police vehicles [vehicles that have cages to imprison protesters] from Aria Shahr arrived in the area and sporadically fired tear gas in the streets.

    There are no mobile telephone signals, and around Azadi Square, protesters chant “Death to the Dictator” and ”Government thugs, get lost” and pelt the security forces with rocks.

    The police beat people with batons, dispersing them.

    They also fired tear gas between First Square and Second Square (in Sadeghie).

    Around 100 motorcycles were also brought to the scene to intimidate protesters.

  23. blessedistruth Says:

    Iran video


  24. blessedistruth Says:

    “Iranian republic” 11 Feb استقلال آزادی جمهوری ایرانی 22بهمن

  25. blessedistruth Says:


    Joost Niemoller Dutch blog on Iran


  26. blessedistruth Says:

    Joost Niemoller Dutch blog on Iran


    (Previous page)

    Many posts in comments section

  27. blessedistruth Says:

    Joost says:
    11 februari 2010 om 11:51 February 11, 2010 at 11:51

    De Dagelijkse Standaard meldt dat de sfeer doet denken aan die in Oost Europa tijdens de revoluties

    1.The Daily Standard reports that the atmosphere is reminiscent of that in Eastern Europe during the revolutions


  28. blessedistruth Says:

    Link for Daily Standard article


  29. blessedistruth Says:

    Iran: Destroy Israel if it strikes

    Ahmadinejad tells Assad Jewish state must be “resisted with full force.”


  30. blessedistruth Says:

    28. Lynn:

    During the Ashoura demos, Laranjani’s son was arrested along with other opposition demonstrators.

    They have to bus in Hezbollah and other thugs, too many Security Force personnel have defected.

    Rumors have it that Khameini has sent most of his private wealth out of the country to Russia.

    God be with the Greens.

    Feb 10, 2010 – 8:41 pm


  31. blessedistruth Says:

    Bush v Obama deficits

    Consider that from Jan. 20, 2001, to Jan. 20, 2009, the debt held by the public grew $3 trillion under Mr. Bush—to $6.3 trillion from $3.3 trillion at a time when the national economy grew as well.

    By comparison, from the day Mr. Obama took office last year to the end of the current fiscal year, according to the Office of Management and Budget, the debt held by the public will grow by $3.3 trillion.

    In 20 months, Mr. Obama will add as much debt as Mr. Bush ran up in eight years.


    Some pundits emphasize that Bush is responsible for FY 2009 which ended at the end of the third quarter (October 1).

    That is partly true. But remember, Obama is responsible for the second half (April — September 2009).

    That was the one with all the pork that Obama didn’t care about because it was leftover business from Bush’s reign.

    But look to the future, projected deficits for FY 2010, FY 2011, FY 2012, FY 2013.

    These Dems continue to talk out of both sides of their “collective” mouth.

    That was a Freudian slip!

    Bash Bush for running up the debt, then run up the debt some more.

    And Americans will believe them if Repubs don’t make the case that Obama’s path is unsustainable.

    BTW the Dems keep bringing up Medicare Part D and how Bush didn’t pay for it.

    What a laugh!

    Would you rather seniors didn’t have this benefit? They do thanks to George W Bush.

    And the Dems who voted nay did so because they wanted to spend twice as much!

  32. blessedistruth Says:

    Can Gregg help W.H. save health bill?


    Gregg has repeatedly pressed Democrats to apply the nearly $500 billion in Medicare-related savings in the House and Senate health care bills toward deficit reduction.

    One option for Obama would be to split the dollars, keeping half to expand health coverage and half to address the long-term solvency of the existing Medicare trust fund.

    Doing so would mean giving up as much as $250 billion in 10-year savings.

    But according to past estimates by the Congressional Budget Office, more than $50 billion of this could be recovered, Gregg said, by embracing something Republicans and Democratic moderates also want: medical malpractice reform.

    “The devil is in the details, but conceptually it is an approach that would have some appeal,” Gregg told POLITICO.

    “If they can substantively address deficit reduction and cost containment, they can attract support for what they want to, making the health care system better as they see it.”

    “Worth considering” was the response of an administration official when asked about the idea of splitting the Medicare-related savings as outlined.

    Gregg has yet to reduce his ideas to formal legislation but bundles them under the catchy title CPR: coverage, prevention and reform.

    The centerpiece is his plan to begin reform by first guaranteeing access to a low-premium policy that protects against catastrophic costs but also expressly allows preventive benefits and disease management under the deductible.

    He would modify the existing Health Insurance Portability and Accessibility Act to allow employers greater freedom to reward workers who participate in wellness programs, such as giving up smoking or losing weight.

    And given his New Hampshire roots, he subscribes to a host of the so-called Dartmouth reforms to promote accountable care organizations and incentivize “shared decision making” between physicians and elderly patients about treatment options.

    His approach is sure to face criticism for being too late and too small bore.

    (Bullshit! Dems thought they wouldn’t need Gregg, so they ignored him.)

    But Gregg’s already shown a willingness to work with Democrats on a compromise related to the HIPAA changes he wants.

    Having a true catastrophic, major medical option for people being mandated to buy insurance fits his mode of “middle working out.”

    “We can all agree that no American should lose their life savings or their home because of illness or injury and that the rising cost of health care severely burdens individuals, families and businesses,” Gregg wrote in his letter to Obama this week.

    “Report after report also confirms that health care costs are a systemic risk to the long-term fiscal health of our nation.”

    (Can Gregg help W.H. save health bill? If that means starting with the Senate Bill, I’m not seeing it.)

  33. blessedistruth Says:

    Gregg to Obama on health care: Start from scratch


  34. blessedistruth Says:

    Republicans continue to signal that no bipartisan ground will be made on health reform legislation if the President doesn’t scrap the current bills.

    An e-mailed press release announcing the letter provides this link to Senator Gregg’s own proposal.



  35. blessedistruth Says:

    All of this will be moot, of course, when Judd Gregg swoops in to save the Democrats on health-care reform…

    Ezra Klein

  36. blessedistruth Says:

    World Trade Center 9/11 Photos: A Fresh But Painful Look at Sept. 11 Tragedy

    Newly Released Sept. 11 Photos Offer New Perspective on Attacks


  37. blessedistruth Says:

    Rasmussen Obama Approval

    46% — 52%

    And 2% of America can’t seem to decide!

  38. blessedistruth Says:

    February 11, 2010


  39. blessedistruth Says:

    Both Ends Burning (Popular – Sort of)









  40. blessedistruth Says:

    I don’t get too many visitors here, which is what I wanted.

    But whoever you are, you have very good taste in music.


  41. blessedistruth Says:

    Oldie, But Goodie


  42. blessedistruth Says:

    James Pethokoukis on Paul Ryan (Important statistics here because I keep hearing different pundits spouting different numbers.)


    Rep. Paul Ryan has a plan.

    The Wisconsin Republican is a rising party thinker and odds-on future Budget Committee chairman if Republicans capture the lower chamber.

    The Ryan plan does eventually put America into the black without raising taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

    This is critical since growth-killing tax increases will only make budget balancing that much harder.

    How does he do it?

    By sharply cutting future social insurance benefits and partially shifting Americans into private retirement and healthcare plans.

    The new Obama budget plan forecasts a total debt-to-GDP ratio of 77 percent in 2020 (vs. 53 percent in 2009) with an annual budget gap of around 4 percent (vs. 10 percent in 2009).

    Talk about a rosy scenario.

    It assumes brisk economic growth, atypical following financial crises.

    It also assumes some budget cuts and tax increases that are politically unlikely.

    An alternative CBO forecast using — by its own admission — more realistic policy assumptions predicts

    a 2020 budget gap of 7.4 percent and

    a debt-to-GDP ratio of 87 percent.

    (Holy Crap!)

    The Ryan plan tops both.

    In 2020, it would have

    a budget gap of 3.7 percent and

    a debt-to-GDP ratio of 67 percent.

    But notice: even a plan created by a conservative budget hawk accepts abnormally high budget deficits a full decade from now.

    So beware of any politico selling quick fiscal fixes.

    The Obama outline ends at 2020, but the CBO and Ryan plans take their forecast decades out.

    By 2040, Ryan still sees

    annual deficits of over 4 percent of GDP

    (and a debt-to-GDP ratio of 99 percent)

    before a long decline toward annual surpluses in the 2060s as spending eventually dips below tax revenue.

    Those numbers seem alarmingly high — though not vs. the stunning CBO forecast of

    a 223 percent debt ratio in 2040 and over 400 percent by the 2060s.

    (God Help Us!)

  43. blessedistruth Says:


    One can quibble about Ryan’s policy choices.

    Democrats might prefer more taxes and fewer spending cuts.

    But the essential point is that politicians will, at best, push for a slow departure from massive deficit spending.

    The question is whether financial markets will be patient enough to allow such a terribly long goodbye.

  44. blessedistruth Says:

    I got a letter from Paul Ryan and the Heritage Foundation.

    As a conservative (where’d they get that idea?!) and most importantly as a concerned American I want to encourage you to represent your state in the official “2010 Taxpayer Ballot on Fiscal Responsibility” that is being sponsored by the non-profit, non-partisan Heritage Foundation.


    You got it, Mr. Ryan!

  45. blessedistruth Says:



  46. blessedistruth Says:

    Ezra Klein on Hypocrisy (Yeah!)


    Paul Krugman has a sharp column today flaying Republican hypocrisy on Medicare cuts.

    Where the GOP was once happy to propose cuts up to 12 percent on Medicare, and while they’re happy, in Paul Ryan’s budget, to propose cuts that are much larger even than that, they’re screaming bloody murder that Democrats plan to cut Medicare by about 6 percent to fund health-care reform.

    Of course, the flip of the column is that Democrats have been similarly hypocritical.

    Their rhetoric about past cuts would not predict their (correct) comfort with the reforms proposed this year.

    But that goes back to one of the themes on this blog.

    You’ll do a lot better predicting a politician’s position on an issue if you ask which party is proposing the policy rather than how the policy stacks up against the politician’s record.

    Party is a lot more important than ideology in Washington.

    The sooner we understand that fact — and its implications for Congress — the better.

  47. blessedistruth Says:

    PIGS R Us


    G is for Greece. Ferguson is on Beck now. A Greek Crisis is Coming to America – Niall Ferguson, Financial Times. Democracy in peril.

    And he’s got the libertarians on with him too.

    What liberals are doing is something different altogether. They are attacking the one plan the CBO says will solve America’s fiscal crisis — and they are not putting forward a plan of their own.

    Democrats are fundamentally dishonest on policy. But that is not a surprise, is it.

    More from Ferguson–collapse can sneak up on you (he’s talking about what he wrote today):

    Yet even a casual look at the fiscal position of the federal government (not to mention the states) makes a nonsense of the phrase “safe haven”. US government debt is a safe haven the way Pearl Harbor was a safe haven in 1941.

    Even according to the White House’s new budget projections, the gross federal debt in public hands will exceed 100 per cent of GDP in just two years’ time. This year, like last year, the federal deficit will be around 10 per cent of GDP. The long-run projections of the Congressional Budget Office suggest that the US will never again run a balanced budget. That’s right, never.

    Ferguson hopes Beck is out in California scouting for the next Reagan.

    All joking aside, this is serious folks. Unions are collapsing Europe’s economies now. What do we think is happening in California, Michigan, Illinois? America?

    Concern about this is what has created and propelled the Tea Party movement over the last year, crystallized on the CBOT floor with Rick Santelli’s cry about moral hazard. Mark Davis on the Tea Parties:

    Finally, the Tea Party movement is not some subculture of bug-eyed lunatics. Any political movement is going to have some characters ranging from colorful to occasionally unhinged, but the insulting tone of much of the coverage of the movement would have you believe that these are fringe extremists who could snap at any moment.

    Well, the truth is, they have snapped already. The sound we are hearing is the proverbial camel’s back breaking after years of reckless spending, punitive taxation and usurpations of liberty that have crippled every citizen’s opportunity to enjoy the full promise of what America is supposed to be about: freedom and opportunity, with the least government necessary to maintain an ordered society.

    The people drifting toward the Tea Party movement are not extreme. They are, in fact, fighting extremism – the extremism that has brought us a government that takes far too much, spends far too much and runs our lives far too much.

    The crisis isn’t going away until we right the ship. Until then, we’re not going away.

    MORE! Rick Santelli on Kudlow tonight–awesome! I’m sure there will be a clip. DC Disconnect with America–we want real free enterprise–sometimes somebody has to fail–and Rick asked (again)—are you listening Mr. President?

  48. blessedistruth Says:

    The Assault on Paul Ryan’s Roadmap, Cont.
    The liberal bait and switch.
    BY Matthew Continetti
    February 11, 2010 4:05 PM


  49. blessedistruth Says:

    February 03, 2010

  50. blessedistruth Says:

    Or you can view video here:


  51. blessedistruth Says:

    Or maybe here:


  52. blessedistruth Says:

    Cancer is a Fungus?

    Alternative Cancer Treatments


    An Italian oncologist, Dr. Tullio Simoncini believes there’s a strong connection between cancer and fungus, and was able to cure cancer by applying baking soda to tumors. However, his license to practice was revoked in Italy, and he faced multiple threats in court, Apsley detailed. In the US, physicians have been routinely disciplined for using natural methods to treat cancer as well, with such tactics as license suspension and bankruptcy. Yet, chemotherapy used by itself is only 2.1% effective, he stated.


  53. blessedistruth Says:

    Coast to Coast AM 2/12/2010 [1/15] Alternative Cancer Treatments

  54. blessedistruth Says:

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  55. blessedistruth Says:

    February 12, 2010


  56. sisterrosetta Says:

    :”In comments reported by Congress Daily, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s top health care aide Wendell Primus admitted top Democrats have already decided on the strategy to pass the Senate’s pro-abortion, government-run health care bill.”Primus explained that the Senate will use the controversial reconciliation strategy that will have the House approve the Senate bill and both the House and Senate okaying changes to the bill that the Senate will sign off on by preventing Republicans from filibustering.”‘The trick in all of this is that the president would have to sign the Senate bill first, then the reconciliation bill second, and the reconciliation bill would trump the Senate bill,’ Primus said at the National Health Policy Conference hosted by Academy Health and Health Affairs.”‘There’s a certain skill, there’s a trick, but I think we’ll get it done,’ he said.”

  57. blessedistruth Says:

    Dear Mr. Leader and Madam Speaker:


    We were further taken aback by a report in CongressDaily later the same day in which an aide to the Speaker, appearing at the National Health Policy Conference, described the legislative “trick” Democratic Leadership intends to use to jam through a “pre-negotiated” health care bill. It has also been reported that other congressional aides present concurred with this assessment.

    Additionally, the Christian Science Monitor reported today that special interest groups are calling for Democrats to finalize a deal in advance of the proposed summit.

    To ensure we can move forward in good faith, we ask that you publicly disavow these reports and assure the American people that Democratic Leadership is not putting together any kind of backroom deal or plotting any kind of legislative trickery to pass it. Your response will help clarify whether Democratic Leadership is serious about genuine bipartisan negotiations and whether the proposed summit will be a truly open forum or merely an intramural exercise.

    We appreciate your immediate response in this matter and look forward to further efforts to foster bipartisan cooperation.


    House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH)
    House Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA)
    House Republican Caucus Chairman Mike Pence (R-IN)

  58. blessedistruth Says:

    If you can stand listening to Rachel Maddow pontificating, perhaps Ezra Klein can shed some light on what the Dems might have up their “collective” sleeve.

    Ezra comes in just after 2:30.


  59. blessedistruth Says:


    This comes after leaks on Capitol Hill assert that Democrats have already agreed on the “trick” to push the current Senate bill through the House and use reconciliation for a series of tax and spending fixes demanded by Nancy Pelosi’s progressive caucus.

    That would make the summit entirely moot, as any agreement reached for a new, bipartisan approach at the summit would require the reintroduction of amended bills to both chambers — essentially starting the process from Step 1 over again.

    Republicans have already called foul on this development, and demanded that Democrats tear up the existing bills as a prerequisite for the debate:

    A statement from Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner.

    “This leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

    Are they excluding governors, state legislators, CBO, and rank-and-file congressional Democrats who have opposed Obamacare and are the reason the president hasn’t had a bill to sign?

    Are Congressional Democrats still working behind closed doors with White House support on a ‘pre-negotiated package’ that can be rammed through Congress after the summit via legislative tricks?

    Or are they willing to start over with a blank sheet of paper?

    We need answers before we know if the White House is more interested in partisan theater than in facilitating a productive dialogue about solutions.”

  60. blessedistruth Says:

    By: David Dayen

    This is new: the White House is vowing to post online the text of a proposed reform package prior to the meeting.

    It doesn’t say whether this will be legislative language or a “plain-English” document.

    But regardless, we should be able to see some of the answers on key topics, like the excise tax, the design of the exchanges, the Medicare Part D donut hole, and a host of other issues.

    The President also wants the Republicans to put their own legislation online as well, before the meeting.

    So we’ll get to compare and contrast.

    In the meantime, Chris Bowers reports that there will be pretty much no movement on any of the key issues, particularly the strategy for the House and Senate to pass a bill, until this health summit.

    The House and Senate appear to be far apart on whether to use a reconciliation sidecar to achieve fixes to the Senate bill, and how to manage that process from a procedural standpoint.

    There you have it.

    UPDATE: House Minority Leader Boehner is saying that the letter “raises unanswered questions”.

    I get the feeling he REALLY doesn’t want to attend this.

    (I get the feeling Boehner doesn’t trust that Obama will deal in good faith.)

  61. blessedistruth Says:


    And the Sisterhood keeps “threatening” reconciliation (oh no, not that) a three or four month process that will shred Senate Dems like they are cannon fodder for the sake of Obama’s and the Sisterhood’s dreaming in color. And then, after making the health care bill more liberal, House members get to vote walk the plank, again.

    Thirsty for a life-giving health-care-water victory, Obama stands and says the structure of his bill must not change, but he will listen to Republican ideas.

    And Speaker-whipped Obama will do as she says — and force him to force Senator Reid through the three or four month ObamaCare Senate seat killing zone.

    Meanwhile, the President is convinced that he must walk the plank on health care. He likes doing it. He thinks it is moral and brave. He says if it costs him his election or, by extension, the Dem majority — oh well.

    And Senator Reid is faced with the sisterhood irrationality and a politically suicidal President, while he is a walking dead man in his home state.

    With the buy-off-policy-opposition-with-a-big-fat-U.S.-currency-printing-press-health-care-bailout installed in Louisiana and Nebraska no longer a politically credible option for the Dems, what will they do now? (See hat and rabbit, above.)

    Really, following the advice and strategy of the team-train-wreck that brought you the political disaster known as the Hindenberg, er ObamaCare — what could possibly go wrong?

    Heh, heh heh.

  62. blessedistruth Says:


    Overall, 45% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

    1 Date
    2 Presidential Approval Index
    3 Strongly Approve
    4 Strongly Disapprove
    5 Total Approve
    6 Total Disapprove

    1 02/13/2010
    2 -17
    3 24%
    4 41%
    5 45%
    6 53%

  63. blessedistruth Says:

    Strongly Disapprove

    01/21/2009 — 16%

    02/13/2010 — 41%

    That’s a 25 point swing!

  64. blessedistruth Says:

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