Virgen de la Candelaria

Virgen de la Candelaria folk dance contest in Puno

The Oruro Carnival is a popular celebration held each year in the city in Bolivia in Oruro in honor of the Virgin of the Tunnel, and one of the biggest demonstrations of folk arts and traditional Andean culture.

The year 2001 the UNESCO declared the carnival as “Obra Maestra del Patrimonio Oral e Intangible de la Humanidad”   (“Masterpiece of Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity”)

Los guloyas dirigidos por Daniel (Linda) Henderson (primero de derecha a izquierda). AP/Ramón Espinosa

Oruro’s Carnaval has become Bolivia’s most renowned and largest annual celebration.

It’s great time to visit, when this somewaht unfashionable mining city becomes the focus of the nation’s attention.

In a broad sense, these festivities can be described as re-enactments of the triumph of good over evil, but the festival is so interlaced with threads of both Christian and indigenous myths, fables, deities an traditions that it would be inaccurate to oversimplify it in this way.

The origins of a similar festival may be traced back to the medieval kingdom of Aragon, these days part of Spain, although oruereños (Oruro locals) maintain that it commemorates an event that occurred during the early days of their own fair city.

Legend has it that one night a thief called Chiru-Chiru was seriously wounded by a traveler he’d attempted to rob.

Taking pity on the wrongdoer, the Virgin of Candelaria gently helped him reach his home near the mine at base of Cerro Pie del Gallo and succored him until he died.

When the miners found him there, an image of the Virgin hung over his head.

Today, the mine is known as the Socavon de la Virgen (Grotto of the Virgin), and a large church, the Santuario de la Virgen del Socavon, has been built over it to house the Virgin.

The Virgen del Socavon, as she is also now known, is the city’s patron.

This legend has been combined with the ancient Uru tale of Huari and the struggle of Archangel Michael (san Miguel) against the seven deadly sins into the spectacle that is presented during the Oruro Carnaval.

See also:

canciones de los kjarkas con palabras


166 Responses to “Virgen de la Candelaria”

  1. blessedistruth Says:

    Gigot: And John Fund, the big game here is the House, right?

    Because that’s where they’re going to go first.

    They’re going to try to get the Senate bill that passed Dec. 24, Christmas Eve, and pass that through the House.

    But the House has now had some real problems, Nancy Pelosi.

    Three Ways and Means chairmen just this week, because of Charlie Rangel’s leave of absence.

    So, what do you–how do you give the prospects in the House?

    Fund: Well, increasing number of Democrats no longer trust Nancy Pelosi’s judgment, and they’re not sure whether or not they want to follow her off a potential cliff.

    Look, she told House Democrats in November, I’m willing to lose 20 seats to pass this bill.

    But now they look at the polls, the House Democrats, and say, It could be 30. It could be 40. We could lose control.

    And there’s also a bait-and-switch problem, Paul.

    *** What if the House passes the Senate bill, the Senate bill gets mired in reconciliation problems, so they can’t amend it to make the House feel better, and the president signs it into law? ***

    The House members will have been stuck voting for a bill that has federal funding of abortions, all of those horrible special-interest things like the Cornhusker kickback and a lot of unpopular things.

    Gigot: I think that could be a real possibility, Joe, that this is, in some sense, a bluff to the House.

    Rago: A double game.

    Gigot: Yeah, because the House–we know the White House would love the Senate bill.

    They think that’s great, because they think that it has more cost-control measures than the House bill.

    But the House doesn’t want to vote for the Senate bill unless there are some Senate fixes.

    And that’s where we get into this reconciliation game where you’re going to jam the fixes through the Senate on just 50 votes plus Joe Biden.

    *** What chances do you think there are that this is in fact a bluff? ***

    Rago: I think they’re pretty good, actually.

    Reconciliation is going to be a bloody mess.

    It’s an abuse of the Senate rules.

    *** But if it’s just a sort of trick to get them to pass the Senate bill through the House, I think the White House would love that. ***

    Why not just one rip, right off?

  2. blessedistruth Says:

    *** But if it’s just a sort of trick to get them to pass the Senate bill through the House, I think the White House would love that. ***

    Bill Kristol addressed this on Fox News Sunday this morning.

    He spoke of reconciliation going nowhere in the Senate because of points of order which require 60 votes to waive.

    And yet at Real Clear Politics Video, there’s a clip from the show about Oscar picks?!

    Who the f*ck cares?!

    Get a clue, RCP!

  3. blessedistruth Says:

    March 7, 2010

    You can click on green arrow at end of each line, I mean if you choose to.

  4. song Says:

    Amen to the distractions in the news. I can’t stand it either.

    I accidently found this for you Rosa, Amazon Cello Choir. I was looking for Villa Lobos, Bachianas Brasilierras Cantilena–the ultimate performance of it? and stumbled on this little music program in the Amazon.

    ps: still haven’t found the ultimate performance of the Cantilena (sp?)……
    but will send you one. This song goes through my mind. I first heard it when I was in high school chorus. People don’t realize how much music influences the young, changes their lives.

    you do.

  5. song Says:

    Here Rosa–this is a nice version. You have probably heard it, but? Heitor Villa-Lobos conducted it, and it was sung by Victoria de Los Angeles.

  6. blessedistruth Says:

    Hey, song!

    I’ve been chillin’ today.


  7. song Says:

    chillin’ m’self.

    Had 15 lovebirds this evening Rosa!!!

    in the rain.

    I was wet and cold. That kind of chillin’


  8. blessedistruth Says:

    Wow! What a voice!

    Thanks for turning me on to this.

  9. blessedistruth Says:

    Had 15 lovebirds this evening Rosa!!!


    Well, I can’t top that!

  10. blessedistruth Says:

    Thanks again, song! I’ll definitely look for more from this composer and these sopranos.

    Bachianas Brasileiras ( Barbara Hendricks )

    No. 5 – I. Aria (Cantilena)

  11. blessedistruth Says:

    “repeated points of order”

    Senate Republicans will do everything they can to block health care legislation until it finally passes, and promise to repeal it on the campaign trail this fall, the GOP’s Senate campaign chief told reporters today.

    Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said in a press briefing at the Ronald Reagan Republican Center today that his party will offer repeated points of order on the Senate floor challenging the legitimacy of budget reconciliation items in a package of fixes to the Senate-passed health care bill.

    He said his candidates in competitive races from California to Florida “should and will run on” repealing the legislation.

    Cornyn, chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said Democrats may want to pass the measure and move on, but the GOP will keep pressing at it to “make sure that health care is the No. 1 issue that the election is won or lost by” in the fall.

    On the merits of the bill, the GOP will tell voters in ads and campaign mailers the health care plan’s benefits kick in far down the line, while tax increases on the wealthy begin right away, Cornyn said.

    He detailed an NRSC tally sheet listing all the Democrats who have said health care reform would lower costs.

    “Every [GOP] candidate who is running a campaign in November 2010, that will be one of the first questions and the first ads that will want to ask,

    ‘Are your health care costs lower now by virtue of passing this health care bill?’

    I think the answer to that will be no, they are not,” he said.

    (It will come to this ONLY IF the House passes Senate bill. I hope it never comes to this.)

  12. blessedistruth Says:

    “a giant asteroid headed at the Earth.”

    And on the Senate side, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH), the senior minority member on the Senate Budget Committee, which holds jurisdiction over reconciliation bills, has called the reconciliation legislation “a giant asteroid headed at the Earth.”

    He has pledged to block the legislation as it goes through the Senate.

    There could be other delaying tactics too.

    Twenty hours of debate are permitted for each budget-related reconciliation measure that is approved and introduced.

    However, amendments can be offered to the measures—but there is no limit on how many can be offered (and they don’t count against the 20 hours).

    Other tactics that health reform opponents could use are

    quorum calls—meaning 51 senators would have to be present for business to continue; and

    parliamentary points of order that could require votes during the reconciliation process.

    (could require 60 votes)

    (House Dems who are considering flipping from nay to yea should be basing their decision on the merits of Senate bill, as a reconciliation “fix” may never happen.)

  13. blessedistruth Says:

    Great Minds Think Alike?! (hehe)

    When pressed by Chris Wallace if he trusted the Senate to pass the reconciliation bill, Rep Altmire said,

    “The Senate has given us a lot of reason not to trust them. Certainly that’s a key component of the dynamic of getting the votes is there has to be some certainty that the Senate is going to follow through on their part.”

    Senator Gregg, R-N.H., shed light on House Democrats concern last week in comments to The Hill.

    “If you’re in the House and you’re saying, ‘Well, I’m going to vote for this because I’m going to get a reconciliation bill,’ I would think twice about that,” Gregg said.

    “First because, procedurally, it’s going to be hard to put a reconciliation bill through the Senate.

    Second because I’m not sure there’s going to be a lot of energy to do it, from the president or his people.”

  14. blessedistruth Says:

    Oh, great! (sarc)

    That Other Government Takeover

    Everyone knows Democrats are planning to use the budget reconciliation process to get ObamaCare through the Senate.

    Less well known is that Democrats are plotting add-ons to that bill to get other liberal priorities enacted—programs that could never attract 60 votes.

    One of these controversial measures rewrites the Higher Education Act to ban private companies from offering federally guaranteed student loans as of this July.

    (Again, let’s hope it NEVER comes to this.)

  15. blessedistruth Says:

    “We can’t afford this. That is the ultimate problem here.”

    The best line in this whole debate so far was uttered by Eric Cantor, when at the summit he put his hand on the Senate bill and said to the president: “We can’t afford this. That is the ultimate problem here.”

    Quite right. The president claims his plan would cost about $950 billion.

    That’s $950 billion more than we have.

    Our anticipated budget deficit for 2010 will be a record $1.6 trillion;

    the CBO foresees $6 trillion in deficits over the next decade,

    an untenable situation which even Obama’s Secretary of State admits is a sobering national security challenge.

    In fact, these deficits are a mortal threat to our civilization.

    If these politicians were truly honest, they would have looked at each other and said,

    “Cantor’s right, there’s no way we can afford this right now!”

    adjourned the meeting, retired to their respective offices and chambers, and gotten to work getting Americans back to work, which is what they should have been doing in the first place.

    But they didn’t, of course, for in high stakes poker, if you’re in, you’re in all the way.

    And the president seems to have played his hand well – a Rasmussen poll showed a three point jump in the plan’s favorability from the week before the summit, though a majority of Americans remain opposed to it.

    The public appears to have given Obama some credit for going through the motions of negotiating, and too few Americans watched the event to have been put off by the president’s pouting and scolding.

    (If only all of this time and energy had been spent on truly bipartisan reform.)

  16. blessedistruth Says:


    1 Date
    2 Presidential Approval Index
    3 Strongly Approve
    4 Strongly Disapprove
    5 Total Approve
    6 Total Disapprove

    1 3/8/2010
    2 -19
    3 22%
    4 41%
    5 46%
    6 54%

    (46 — 54)

    (Like in the movie Groundhog Day, we seem to be stuck reliving the same day over and over again.)

  17. blessedistruth Says:

    Maybe tomorrow will be the day after Groundhog Day! One can hope!

  18. blessedistruth Says:

    More Like This:

  19. blessedistruth Says:

    Paranormal TV Presents… / UFOs Best Evidence Government Cover-up.

    Season 1 Episode 1

    More Episodes can be viewed at YouTube.

  20. blessedistruth Says:

    March 8, 2010

    You can click on green arrow at end of each line, I mean if you choose to.

  21. blessedistruth Says:

    Tweaked in the womb?! Oh, that explains a lot!–guest-dan-shermans-above-black-project-preserve-destiny-is-a-compelling-ufo-book.aspx

  22. blessedistruth Says:

    Dan Sherman was a former electronic intelligence expert with U.S. Air Force who worked with the National Security Agency on a highly classified program called Project Preserve Destiny that used “intuitive communications” with extraterrestrials. He received specialized training that used innate intuitive or psychic abilities without his normal military superiors being informed.

    In the following passage he writes about his growing disenchantment with the Project based on data confirming extraterrestrial abductions were being relayed by extraterrestrials to governmental authorities:

    The bitterness began a few months after I had started to receive comms from Bones [an extraterrestrial]. It hit a sharp incline when I began to receive the abduction comms and now it hit a crescendo. I was tired of being supposedly so important because of my abilities, yet treated like an underling with no need-to-know…. Why the abduction data? Why had everything been passed in code, mostly, until now? …

    I finally came to the conclusion, after reporting over 20 apparent abduction scenarios, that I wanted no part of the program any longer. Although I had no reason to believe anyone was being maliciously harmed, I did get a feeling that the abductions I was reporting were part of some sort of higher calling and the feelings of the people involved took a back seat to that calling.

    Above Black: Project Preserve Destiny – 1988, 134, 136

  23. blessedistruth Says:

  24. blessedistruth Says:

    Haven’t read this yet, but I’m intrigued.

  25. blessedistruth Says:

  26. blessedistruth Says:

    By: Hugh Hewitt

    His whole pitch is “Trust me,” and the American people clearly do not, but still he pushes for a rapid conclusion to the debate.

  27. blessedistruth Says:

    Frank Luntz fills in for me today as I argue a case before the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit and then head to Cleveland for tomorrow’s dinner with Archbishop Charles Chaput before the Cleveland Right to Life conference. I will be broadcasting from the conference.

  28. blessedistruth Says:

    Sen. John Barrasso, (R-WY)

    I just heard Senator Barrasso on Fox say to House Dems that Reid will “hang them out to dry.”

    i.e., don’t count on a reconciliation “fix” bill getting anywhere in the Senate. Consider the Senate bill the final product.

    The anchor kept pressing him on “repeal.” But the focus should be on stopping this in the House.

    This video is from earlier.

    Airtime: Wed. Mar. 3 2010 | 5:19 PM ET

  29. blessedistruth Says:

    Rasmussen Obama Approval

    44% — 54%

    That’s even worse than yesterday.

  30. blessedistruth Says:

    Rasmussen: 57% think ObamaCare will damage economy

  31. blessedistruth Says:

    WKTTV in Utica, NY reports that Congressman Michael Arcuri, D-N.Y., intends to vote no on the Senate’s version of the health care bill as it stands currently.

    “I think the president wants action, but many people that represent moderate districts such as myself think that hey, you know, we need to take this thing and do it in a more incremental way, and we continue to think that,” Arcuri told NEWSChannel 2 on Sunday.

    Arcuri tells them that getting the votes in the House is a problem because there are too many concerns over the Senate’s version for the bill to pass.

    (Maybe Arcuri knows something the rest of us don’t. Namely, if House passes Senate bill, that’s it! The Senate bill will become the law of the land and the reconciliation bill that never was will fade into the garbage heap of history.)

  32. blessedistruth Says:

    So which is it?

    UPDATED 3/8: Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-N.Y.) moved from “no” to “undecided.” He told local media outlets on March 2 and March 7 that he was voting against reform. But his spokesman told the Plum Line blog on March 8 that he’s undecided. Arcuri voted for the House bill.

  33. blessedistruth Says:

    Watch former New York Democratic Rep. Eric Massa on Glenn Beck Tuesday at 5 p.m. ET.

  34. blessedistruth Says:

    In addition, there are the Stupak 13, who were all yes votes last time:

    Bart Stupak, Jerry Costello, Charlie Wilson, Kathy Dahlkemper, Joe Donnelly, Joseph Cao, Steve Driehaus, Brad Ellsworth, Marion Berry, Marcy Kaptur, Dale Kildee, Dan Lipinski, James Oberstar.

    Kildee has said he’s not in the bloc, but he was quoted in the Politico “fix it in reconciliation” article as someone with concerns about the abortion language.

    Then there are 10 other former Yes votes who have expressed concerns, though none are an out-and-out no yet:

    Mike Arcuri, Zack Space, Chris Carney, Mike Doyle, Paul Kanjorski, Ann Kirkpatrick, Alan Mollohan, Nick Rahall, Dan Maffei, Bill Owens.

    Some of those may have something to do with the abortion language, but I haven’t added them to the Stupak bloc yet.

    If you add up those numbers, you get 194 confirmed yes, 191 confirmed no, with the rest in the middle. Obviously, this is fluid right now, especially in advance of actual bill language. But you can see why the leadership is still talking to Stupak. The votes are very hard to find without his bloc.

    UPDATE: The Hill has John Spratt as moving from Yes to Undecided, so if you add that, it’s down to 193-191. A lot of these “undecideds” are just using the vote as leverage, so it’s hard to get an accurate count.

    (The “inevitability” of the House passing the Senate bill is a fabrication. It may happen, but that is certainly NOT inevitable.)

  35. blessedistruth Says:

    “Obviously, this is fluid right now, especially in advance of actual bill language.”

    The writer is referring to the actual language of the fictitious reconciliation bill.

    IMHO, the chances of a reconciliation bill getting through the Senate are zero.

  36. blessedistruth Says:

    GOP Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin

    Some longtime political observers such as Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute suggest that, in the vacuum of Republican ideas, the Dems have a great opportunity to triangulate their way back to control of the center.

    For example, GOP Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin has put forward a bold and detailed plan to cut the deficit by reining in Medicare and Social Security;

    despite their deficit-cutting rhetoric, very few of his fellow Republicans have dared to endorse it.

    “My guess is that the Democrats are going to be just smart enough to take parts of Ryan’s plan and put it up for a vote, forcing the Republicans out into the open,” he says.

    In addition, Obama and the Democrats have a chance to put the Republicans “in a box” by pointing out that they have voted both against a jobs bill and a deficit commission.

    “the Dems have a great opportunity to triangulate their way back to control of the center” — not if the House passes the Senate bill, they don’t.

  37. blessedistruth Says:

    Ezra Klein

    Cutting health-care costs is hard.

    And it needs to be distinguished from simply capping spending.

    When liberals say that single-payer will save a bazillion dollars, or conservatives point to Paul Ryan’s plan and say that will save a bazillion dollars, they’re talking about capping spending.

    Liberals do it on the provider side, saying that government will only pay so much for medical services people need, and the system will just have to adjust.

    Conservatives do it on the consumer side, saying that government will only give individuals so much for the coverage they need, and if that proves insufficient, then tough.

    But voters haven’t evinced much appetite for either proposal.

    “Conservatives do it on the consumer side” — And it works! And we can cover everyone with a much lower price tag.


  38. blessedistruth Says:

    “I firmly believe the Swiss health care model could be successfully adopted in the United States. Consumers here want universal coverage, particularly given the recession, but they are upset because they also want control of their healthcare. The tax changes required are simple, and the upside for consumers and business is huge,” Herzlinger said.

  39. blessedistruth Says:

    So, instead of discussing whether or not the House will pass the Senate bill, why aren’t we discussing this?

  40. blessedistruth Says:

    March 9, 2010

    You can click on green arrow at end of each line, I mean if you choose to.

  41. blessedistruth Says:

    MissTickly Says:

    March 8, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    This is the third bribery/bullying for votes story in two weeks.

    And then there’s Bayh.*ahem* Wonder what they had on him.

    A pattern is definitely emerging and this story should not be swept under the rug.

    Please keep on this Hilbuzz!

    (I’m dying to see a cartoon of two naked men and Emmanuel thumping Massa in the chest!)

  42. blessedistruth Says:

    This dude is sick. He used to hit on my gay friends here in DC a lot. Total creep. I hope he goes down. Apparently he’s going to be on Glenn Beck all day tomorrow – what a true douche.

    Posted by: KFLO | Mar 8, 2010 6:25:30 PM


  43. blessedistruth Says:

    I’m much more interested in this story:

    Graham said Emanuel was well aware that his and any other Republican support for closing Guantanamo Bay hinged on keeping alleged Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed out of civilian court.

    According to a person familiar with the conversations, who discussed the confidential deliberation on the condition of anonymity, Emanuel made his case to Obama, articulating the political dangers of a civilian trial to congressional Democrats.

    Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. presented a counterargument rooted in principle, for civilian trials.

    David Axelrod, senior adviser to Obama, supported Holder, the source said.

    The president agreed that letting the Justice Department take the lead was the right thing to do.

    “Axelrod has a strong view of the historic character Obama is supposed to be,” said an early Obama supporter who is close to the president and spoke on the condition of anonymity to give a frank assessment of frustration with the White House.

    The source blamed Obama’s charmed political life for creating a self-confidence and trust in principle that led to an “indifference to doing the small, marginal things a White House could do to mitigate the problems on the Hill.

    Rahm knows the geography better.”

    (But Axelrod knows where all the bodies are buried, or at least one body.)

  44. blessedistruth Says:

    House leaders do seem to be making movement on one key issue – avoiding a tough vote on the Senate provisions like the “Cornhusker kickback” and the excise tax.

    Under a plan floated by the House Rules Committee, lawmakers would write a “self-executing rule” to avoid a direct vote on the Senate bill.


    Under this scenario, the Senate bill would be automatically attached to the reconciliation package, if the House passes reconciliation.

    In other words, Bill A would just become part of Bill B if the House passes Bill B, and the Senate could then vote on a reconciliation package before sending it to the president.

    This allows House members to approve the broader measure without actually voting on it.

    The same aides who confirmed this process was under discussion quickly noted that party leaders have not yet arrived at a final decision, so it’s far from a done deal — a point House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) made repeatedly Tuesday during his weekly exchange with reporters.


    This could also seemingly avoid the problem of the House having to go first, if the Senate wrote their reconciliation bill this way.

    But the House apparently must go first, at least in the eyes of the leadership.

    But one positive for House Democrats nervous of trusting the Senate to move forward with fixes:

    the self-executing rule could add a rider which says that the Senate bill cannot be signed into law without the reconciliation fixes attached.

    As this is one of the sticking points you see come up frequently among House Democrats, that could pave the way toward a bill.

    But again, it’s all about the votes. And the Democrats don’t have them.



    (I’m confused. So the Senate bill won’t become law until and unless a reconciliation bill has already passed both the House and the Senate?)

    If the House waits for the Senate to pass a reconciliation bill, they’ll be waiting a very long time.

    If the House passes a reconciliation bill expecting the Senate to follow suit, House Dems will be awfully embarrassed when that doesn’t happen.

    What would happen if House passes both the Senate bill and a reconciliation sidecar, but reconciliation goes nowhere in the Senate?

    Would the Senate bill then become law?

  45. blessedistruth Says:

    In other words, instead of having the House pass the Senate bill and then Obama signing it into law, with only Reid’s promise as an assurance that reconciliation will follow, they’re going to try to essentially merge the Senate bill with the reconciliation “fix” in the House first.

    Then Reid would have no choice but to pass the reconciliation “fix” in the Senate so that there would be a single identical bill passed by both chambers that Obama could sign.

    The obvious question:

    Why doesn’t the House just pass a new bill that incorporates the Senate bill and the reconciliation fix instead of this “Bill A” and “Bill B” crap?


    Because reconciliation only works for budgetary provisions, and most of the provisions of a giant new bill would be non-budgetary.

    They’d need 60 votes to re-pass it, not 50.

    (Although with Slow Joe ready to nuke the GOP’s opposition by any means necessary, you never know.)

    This whole headache could be avoided, of course, if Blue Dog Dems had an iota of confidence that Reid and Obama would keep their promise to pass a fix once the Senate bill passed the House, but they don’t.

    Every last bit of this excruciating procedural negotiation at this point stems from the fact that Democrats don’t trust other Democrats.

    Remember that.

    (Still, there’s no guarantee Reid will be able to deliver. Points of order will be raised which will require 60 votes to waive.)

  46. blessedistruth Says:

    Are you kidding me?!

    “The solution is to get the Appropriations Committee to promise to include language extending Hyde to the exchanges as part of the HHS Appropriations bill later this year.”

    Yes, win-win for everyone — assuming Stupak trusts Pelosi and Reid to include that amendment in the appropriations bill. Does he? If so … why?

  47. blessedistruth Says:

    This would allow them to deal with the Senate bill without forcing their members to go on record in support of unpopular items, like the now-infamous Cornhusker Kickback or the so-called Louisiana Purchase, that could be used against them on the campaign trail in the fall.

    According to industry lobbyists, the House may take the additional step of further amending the rule to guard against another nightmare scenario — the Senate’s failure to enact a package of fixes through the now-familiar reconciliation process.

    House leaders could add a caveat to the rule that the Senate bill can only be signed into law if the Senate also passes the fixes.

    (But that is precisely the point. I actually like this if this in fact happens. Because I do NOT believe Reid will be able to deliver the reconciliation “fix.” Goddamn the pusher man!)


    Confused? You’re not alone.

    These hypotheticals have been the topic of much discussion on Capitol Hill as congressional Democrats look for ways to massage chamber rules in the House and Senate pass a health care bill without any Republican support.

    And before they can do that, they might need to walk their members through some of the finer points of parliamentary maneuvering.

  48. blessedistruth Says:

    House Dems are like addicts in need of a “fix.”

  49. blessedistruth Says:

    But they’re never gonna get it!

  50. blessedistruth Says:

    This is so funny! Have you seen this lately?!

  51. blessedistruth Says:

    We’ve all been on this Helter Skelter ride.

    It’s just possible we have been saving you from yourselves.


  52. blessedistruth Says:

    Everyone who was there remembers this side of the album.

    In high school, my friends performed the entire side at one of our “light shows.”

    One of my guitar player friends went on to play with Eric Clapton.

    And the other, he was so good.

    Same band, sort of, had played together when we were in 8th grade.

    I’ll never forget him playing and singing “polk salad annie.”

    I met them when we were all in 5th grade 1967 — 1968.

    North Miami Beach was a happening place back then.

    The hippies and war protesters gathered at Greynolds Park.

    We were too young to take part, but we observed.

  53. blessedistruth Says:

  54. blessedistruth Says:

    As for what can pass the Byrd rule, that’s really a judgment call that would be hard to play out beforehand

    (incidentally, there’s a “Byrd rule” in the House, too, but it can be waived by a majority rule, so it doesn’t matter).

    The bigger problem is revealed by this story about Lindsey Graham trying to gin up another Gang of 14 and getting the back of the hand from Democrats.

    The buried lede:

    while Senate Democrats are raring to go and have a full sheath of “Republicans did it too” talking points about reconciliation,

    *** they might have to go all the way through the committee process again. ***


    Senior House and Senate aides met with the parliamentarian’s office this week and were told that Senate rules would not allow Senate Democrats to send the House reconciliation bill straight to the floor, according to a source familiar with the discussion.

    Having to take the bill through the committee process would complicate the Democratic push to finish the bill by Easter.

    The meeting also raised questions about whether the rules allowed several provisions to be included in the bill,

    but Democrats won’t receive firm guidance on what would be allowed until the Congressional Budget Office provides a cost estimate on the bill.


    Can you imagine another round with Max Baucus in the Senate Finance Committee?

    Presumably he’s learned a little from his experience (in the article he says “we’ll get it done”), but his “comity” gene could easily kick in as he tries to bring Chuck Grassley back into the process.

    It becomes harder and harder to keep members of Congress on the bill, the longer this timeline slips.

    Inaction begets anxiety.

  55. blessedistruth Says:

    So much for bipartisanship.

    Dems: No thanks to new ‘Gang of 14’

    Graham, who is talking with the White House on immigration, energy and detainee policy, told POLITICO that the White House’s summit on health care reform was clearly a “sham” because Obama promised to give Congress six weeks to find common ground — only to plunge ahead without pause.

    Graham suggested he and other Republicans could support a scaled-back bill that cuts health costs and expands coverage.

    “I would be willing to find ways to solve problems without blowing up the Senate,” Graham said.

    Graham’s pitch to moderates came as Senate Republican leaders stepped up their efforts to capitalize on the mistrust between House and Senate Democrats.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has been seeking assurances that the House, if it passes the Senate health care bill and a sidecar measure with fixes, will not be left in the lurch by the Senate.

    “We believe what the president is doing is asking House Democrats to hold hands, jump off a cliff and hope Harry Reid catches them.

    And Sen. Reid is not going to have any incentive to catch them because by the time the reconciliation bill gets to the Senate, the president will already have signed the health care bill into law and he’ll be well on his way to Indonesia,” Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) said Tuesday, alluding to the White House deadline of March 18 for a House vote.

    “We believe the better course for our country is for the House not to pass the Senate bill.”

  56. blessedistruth Says:

    Stupak: There’s No Deal, And I Won’t Agree to a Promise to Fix the Bill in the Future

    Stupak added:

    The president still hasn’t put forth his proposal.

    I mean, other than the 11 pages [of changes], we’ve seen nothing in writing.

    It’s different than what the Senate did.

    So do they take three [measures] and merge it into one and stick it in a bill called reconciliation, or just do the Senate bill as a stand alone?

    “You have to tie-bar it or substitute it or something,” Stupak said of the legislation.

    By “tie-bar,” Stupak means that all the fixes, including his amendment on abortion, would pass or fail all at the same time.

    Stupak says that congressional leaders are “going back and forth in different ways” to find a compromise.

    But again, “it is so confusing,” he said, “on what the parliamentary procedures are going to be” to make the fixes.


    “all the fixes, including his amendment on abortion, would pass or fail all at the same time”

    (so, even if the House passes both the Senate bill and a reconciliation “fix” bill, neither actually become law until and unless the Senate passes the reconciliation “fix” bill???)

    (if that is indeed the case, then I’m not seeing this, because of points of order, etc. And I hope that this scenario truly unfolds.)

  57. blessedistruth Says:

    Can House Democrats trust the Senate?

    Let’s assume the Speaker somehow rounds up the 216 votes she needs for a substantive package.

    Assume that package is drafted so that Bill #1 will pass the House unchanged first, and all the modifications will be in Bill #2, drafted as a reconciliation bill, to be passed first by the House and then by the Senate.

    Let’s further assume the House passes Bill #1 and Bill #2 before the Easter Recess, scheduled to begin sixteen days from now, on Friday, March 26th.

    Bill #1 is now ready to be sent to the President.

    Bill #2 goes to the Senate as a reconciliation bill.

    (Q: For how long can the Speaker hold Bill #1? Can she hold it forever if Bill #2 does not become law?)

    Leader Reid, carrying through on a hypothetical commitment made to House members, brings up Bill #2 and tries to pass it.

    Let’s further assume that he has at least the 50 votes he needs, in his pocket, for final passage.

    So assume we (think we) know that the Senate will pass a version of Bill #2.

    I don’t think Leader Reid can guarantee that the Senate will pass Bill #2 without modification.

    And if a single word in Bill #2 is added, removed, or changed, then the House will have to vote on Bill #2 again.


    I see three risks during Senate floor consideration:

    •Senate Democrats may want to modify the substance of Bill #2, notwithstanding any commitment by Leader Reid to oppose all amendments. I believe Senate Democrats are generally comfortable using reconciliation as the process for consideration of Bill #2, Republican objections notwithstanding. But that does not guarantee that those Senate Democrats will oppose all amendments. It’s easy to imagine Senators saying they’re not just going to let the House write a whole new health bill without Senate input.

    •Even if Leader Reid can exert effective party discipline/cohesion, Senate Republicans will be looking for vulnerabilities and offering amendments to try to pick off 10 Democrats and amend the bill. I expect it would be quite difficult to pick off that many Democrats in this type of situation. But suppose Bill #2 contains another Cornhusker Kickback? Do you think that Bill #2 will be entirely devoid of targeted “Member interest” items (read: pork) as Speaker Pelosi makes the deals she needs to make to get to 216? Are you certain 50 Senate Democrats would oppose a Republican amendment to strike the most vulnerable of such items? If Senate consideration of Bill #2 happens after the Easter Recess, this risk is even greater. People will have more time to scrub the bill for politically vulnerable special interest provisions, and pressure will have time to build on Senate Democrats to fix the worst problems in Bill #2.

    •Even if Leader Reid can rally sufficient party discipline to defeat every Republican amendment, and he needs only 50 of his 59 Members to do so, he still faces a Byrd rule risk. If Bill #2 contains a single provision, or even part of a provision, that has no budgetary impact, then 41 Senate Republicans acting in concert can force it to be removed from the bill. If it’s something like the Stupak abortion language, such a change would have a profound impact on the strategy. Suppose, however, it’s a trivial change. Suppose there’s a study on asthma in the bill that comes over from the House. Striking that study with the Byrd rule will mean that the House and Senate-passed versions are different. This means the House will have to vote again on Bill #2.

    •What if the schedule slips enough so that a second House vote on Bill #2 is after the recess?

    •Are nervous House Democrats willing to place themselves in the position where they have to vote a second time for Bill #2, after a week of feedback and pressure from the people back in the district?

    •Are those other House Democrats whose support for Bill #1 is contingent on Bill #2 also becoming law willing to trust that the differences in the two bills can be worked out, and more importantly that the House will again be able to pass Bill #2, after the Easter Recess?


    Successfully executing a two bill strategy is hard.

    Even if Congressional Democrats can resolve their trust issues, no one can promise a successful two-bill outcome, especially if the strategy spans the Easter Recess.


    “Bill #1 is now ready to be sent to the President.”

    (Not if House Dems insist that Bill A will become law IF AND ONLY IF Bill B becomes law. That logic course I took in college is finally coming in handy!)

  58. blessedistruth Says:

    And don’t forget “points of order”

    The Senate has a long sequence of votes in the vote-a-rama.

    Some are majority votes (need 51 or 50+VP to win), other point of order waiver votes require 60 to win.

    This is the one area where Republicans may have procedural leverage.

  59. blessedistruth Says:

    Best and clearest explanation of Democrats’ reconcilation problems

    If a point of order is sustained in the Senate, then the House will have to revote on the Senate bill.

    If the point of order is sustained and not waived by 60 senators, then the provision is stripped from the bill and the remainder of the bill is sent back to the House.

    Consider, for example, the last time Congress considered a controversial bill under reconciliation, the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005.

    The House passed a conference report on the bill that it believed would survive all Byrd Rule points of order.

    The Senate ultimately sustained three points of order (one relating to cost sharing for emergency room care).

    The House then had to revote on the bill minus the three provisions.

    (so Bill A only becomes law IF Bill B becomes law. And House fixes will not survive the Senate without modifications. Back to square one.)

  60. blessedistruth Says:

    cry uncle!

    to give in; to surrender(see also throw in the towel)

    You are worn out. It’s time to say uncle.


    That Gang of 14 suggestion is looking better and better all the time.

  61. blessedistruth Says:

    Kyl says GOP has the votes to stop some health bill fixes in the Senate

    Kyl suggested that the GOP would have enough votes to sustain points of order they might raise against a bill sought under budget reconciliation rules to make changes to the original health bill to win over the votes of House Democrats.

    “There are a lot of things they want to see fixed that are going to be subject to parliamentary point of order in the Senate,” Kyl said during an interview on Fox News.

    “And we believe we have the votes to sustain those points of order, which means that those things will come out of the legislation.”

    According to the plans under consideration, the House would pass the Senate’s healthcare bill, but then take up another bill under budget reconciliation rules to make changes to that original bill.

    Those rules allow senators to make changes with only a simple majority vote instead of the 60 votes normally needed to end a filibuster.

    But the maneuver would also subject elements of that package to being stricken by the Senate parliamentarian or a vote of the Senate if the changes are judged to be not germane to the budget.

    Kyl said that the Senate’s ability to prevent some of the changes House Democrats have demanded should make those lawmakers think twice before voting to approve the Senate’s healthcare bill.

    “It is a very risky proposition for those Democrats in the House who are nervous about their reelection, and are banking on the Senate banking them out,” he said.

    “It’s probably not going to happen.”

    “So things that these House members think are important to put in the bill, to fix what was wrong with the Senate bill — like a lot of those backroom deals, for example — not all of those things can be fixed,” the Arizona Republican added.

    Kyl also said that the GOP would attempt to amend the reconciliation agreement, which should also make Democrats hesitate before counting on the Senate to make the kind of fixes for which House leaders have pushed.

    “Who knows how many amendments might be adopted in the Senate,” Kyl argued.

    “So it is not exactly going to be the way House leadership have portrayed it to members.”

  62. blessedistruth Says:

    “the lowest level yet”

    1 Date
    2 Presidential Approval Index
    3 Strongly Approve
    4 Strongly Disapprove
    5 Total Approve
    6 Total Disapprove

    1 3/10/2010
    2 -21
    3 22%
    4 43%
    5 43%
    6 56%

    (43 — 56 Overall, 43% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. That, too matches the lowest level yet recorded for this President. Fifty-six percent (56%) disapprove.)

  63. blessedistruth Says:

    Obama cannot have it both ways. He cannot cater to the left and at the same time try to win back the independents who pushed him over the finish line.

  64. blessedistruth Says:

    I just left this comment here:

    I’m very much interested in what Mr. Horowitz has to say on this matter.

    Karl Rove states that the “Bush Lied, People Died!” mantra damaged our nation, but not beyond repair.

    Obama contributed to that damage. He deserves the same treatment, but I hope that doesn’t happen. I don’t think it will.

    I’m not a lefty or a righty. But I don’t think the right in this country is quite as awful as the left when it comes to character assassination.

    Maybe their belief in a redemptive Savior has something to do with that.

  65. blessedistruth Says:

    March 10, 2010

    You can click on green arrow at end of each line, I mean if you choose to.

  66. blessedistruth Says:

    I would be happy if laws were in place at the state level to prevent us from ever having to go through this again.


    Call me a ‘birther’

    Barry Farber is a pioneer in talk radio, first beginning his broadcast in 1960. “The Barry Farber Show” is now nationally syndicated on over 100 stations.

  67. blessedistruth Says:

    State bill goes straight to Obama … sorta . . .

    Arizona’s “birther bill,” aka House Bill 2441, got some national attention Thursday when a reporter asked White House spokesman Robert Gibbs to comment on it.

    The bill, sponsored by Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, would require presidential candidates to submit proof of citizenship to the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office to get on the state’s ballot.

    Thirty-nine Republican legislators have signed on in support of the bill, which passed the House Government Committee and awaits a full House vote.

    Gibbs said he hadn’t seen news reports on the legislation, nor had President Barack Obama.

    The exchange generated much laughter from the press corps and ended with Gibbs saying he was the one who suggested the president put his birth certificate online two years ago

    “for the crazy idea that somebody might actually look at the birth certificate under the rubric of transparency and come to the conclusion that . . . the president was indeed born in the state of – say it with me – Hawaii.”


    yeah, yeah, I know, birthers are crazy loons.

    but how is the following unreasonable?

    “would require presidential candidates to submit proof of citizenship to the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office to get on the state’s ballot”

  68. blessedistruth Says:

    Matt Benson, lobbyist for Secretary of State Ken Bennett, said there are all sorts of problems with HB 2441 which now goes to the full House.

    First, he said it likely would bring a challenge that Arizona was illegally imposing its own standards on candidates for federal offices.

    Benson noted that federal courts previously struck down an attempt by Arizona to limit the terms of members of Congress.

    Burges responded that 10 other states are considering similar proposals.

    “So it’s not just Arizona,” she said.

    Benson pointed out, though, that what Burges wants isn’t a simple matter of someone coming up with a birth certificate.

    It requires the secretary of state to examine documents proving eligibility and refuse to list that person on the ballot if there is

    “reasonable cause to believe the candidate does not meet the citizenship, age and residency requirements prescribed by law.”

    He said that provides no clear guideline for his agency to determine if, for example, a copy of a birth certificate is legally sufficient.

    (How absurd! I had to send for a copy of my birth certificate from Riverside, CA for teacher certification purposes. And somehow the State of Arizona managed to determine that it was, indeed, legally sufficient. BTW, the State of Arizona required the long- form, not a COLB.)

  69. blessedistruth Says:

    Haven’t listened to this yet. I’m skeptical of anyone who claims that all ETs are good or all ETs are bad. But I have an open mind.


    UFO researcher and abductee, Jim Moroney discussed his profound ET encounter and how aliens are waiting in the wings to save humanity from a crisis that awaits us

  70. blessedistruth Says:

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  71. blessedistruth Says:

    Mr. Moroney comes in [4/15] just after 9:00. But the woman who was on just prior to him is fascinating, too. I listened to a snippet and she was speaking of orbs.

  72. blessedistruth Says:

  73. blessedistruth Says:

    I couldn’t help noticing some of the anti-Glenn Beck rhetoric over at RS. Yes, I still peek in from time to time.

    Well, you know, I have to put my two cents in.

    I think GB is the real deal, but rather too impressionable.

    He’s a lot farther to the “right” than I am, even if he chooses to call it something else.

    But in terms of his honesty with himself and with us, I don’t see how you could take issue with that.

    This is a man I could love. I mean he’s not so far apart from the man I do love.

    I have to admit, I did listen to the show yesterday with Eric Massa.

    What I came away with was two men who were hurting.

    And neither could console the other.

    My advice to GB, stay away from O’Reilly, he is the ‘Son Of The Devil’s Spawn.’

    (Just kidding! Well, maybe a little.)

  74. blessedistruth Says:

    How about this theme?

    Sides of albums you wore out making love to that special someone.

  75. blessedistruth Says:

    Earth Wind and Fire, Steely Dan, and yes Gino Vannelli

  76. blessedistruth Says:

    oh, and stevie wonder, of course!

  77. blessedistruth Says:

    Curious if links here will still work.

  78. blessedistruth Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    November 9, 2008 at 12:54 am

    “And I am glad, not to have any part in that, because I can say that I did not help co-create it. And so I will not have to live with the consequences of what this is going to bring.”



    In the immortal words of Tenacity, ditto squared.

    Still, we have to visualize a way outta here.

  79. blessedistruth Says:

  80. blessedistruth Says:

    Side four

    1.”Ngiculela – Es Una Historia – I Am Singing” (Wonder) – 3:48

    2.”If It’s Magic” (Wonder) – 3:12

    3.”As” (Wonder) – 7:08

    4.”Another Star” (Wonder) – 8:08

  81. blessedistruth Says:

    One of my favorite memories.

    Somewhere between 1994 — 1998.

    Gammage Auditorium, my daughter and I on our feet belting out the lyrics to “Another Star” with Stevie.

    She’s even a bigger fan than I am, and that’s hard to top.

  82. blessedistruth Says:

    BTW, my doggie loves this song.

    She gave me TWO high fives!

  83. blessedistruth Says:


    March 11, 2010

    You can click on green arrow at end of each line, I mean if you choose to.

  84. blessedistruth Says:

    1.”Sunrise” (Hensley) – 4:04
    2.”Spider Woman” (Box, Byron, Kerslake, Thain) – 2:25
    3.”Blind Eye” (Hensley) – 3:33
    4.”Echoes in the Dark” (Hensley) – 4:48
    5.”Rain” (Hensley) – 3:59
    6.”Sweet Lorraine” (Box, Byron, Thain) – 4:13
    7.”Tales” (Hensley) – 4:09
    8.”The Magician’s Birthday” (Box, Hensley, Kerslake) – 10:19

  85. blessedistruth Says:

    Traveller In Time

    Every day I have to look to the sun
    To see where it was that I have come from
    I have a feelin that there must be a time
    When I’ll get a chance to go home
    ‘Cause I’m so tired of being here alone
    But I’m just a traveller in time
    Trying so hard to pay for my crime

    If I could go back the same way I got here
    And see the people that I once held so near
    I’d do my best to find an answer for you
    But first I must wait ’til I’m set free
    And I don’t know how long that’s gonna be
    ‘Cause I’m a man with a whole lot on his mind
    Just out there somewhere travelling in time
    Travelling in Time
    I’ve tried for so long to find some way
    Of helping mankind

  86. blessedistruth Says:

    Critics say the legislation is designed to expand coverage, but will do nothing about increasing care.

    And Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., warned Wednesday that mechanism to rescue the bill — a process called reconciliation that aims to address the budget matters separately from the coverage issues — is opposed by all 41 Republican senators.

    “This is the response to the declaration of war,” he told Fox News.

    The current plan is for the House to approve the Senate-passed bill from late last year, despite serious objections to numerous provisions.

    Both chambers then would pass a second bill immediately, making changes in the first measure before both could take effect.

    The second bill would be debated under rules that bar a filibuster, meaning it could clear by majority vote in the Senate without Democrats needing the 60-vote supermajority now beyond their reach.

    “Nobody likes the bill that is out there now.

    They are all going fix it, except that they are not going to be able to fix it. That’s our point.

    So they shouldn’t vote for a bill that they think is going to get fixed, because it isn’t going to get fixed, at least in all of the ways they want it to,” Kyl said.

  87. blessedistruth Says:

    Will The Hispanic Caucus Object To Health Care Reform

    There is more talk about a “self-executing rule,” allowing the House to take on the Senate bill and the fixes within the same vote, although parliamentary questions have been raised over the tactic.

    However, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, quiet until now despite the probability of the Senate’s bill becoming the baseline product, has now spoken up, threatening to take down the bill over the harsh immigration provisions in the Senate version.

    These provisions include the banning of undocumented workers from the exchanges, even to purchase health insurance with their own money.

    Pelosi has met with Hispanic Caucus members recently to try and assuage concerns.

    And the President is doing the same today.

    There’s no path to 216 votes without the Hispanic Caucus on board, and that means every member.

    But they are stymied in much the way Bart Stupak and his abortion caucus are stymied.

    There’s no way for the immigration provisions to change through reconciliation, leading to the need for a side bill.


    a “self-executing rule,” allowing the House to take on the Senate bill and the fixes within the same vote

    (But Bill B — the reconciliation bill — will not survive the Senate without modifications. Which means Bill B would have to survive another vote in the House.)

  88. blessedistruth Says:

    The House will avoid a direct vote on the Senate passed ObamaCare by passing a self-executing rule that deems ObamaCare to be passed, if the House approves the rule setting up debate on ObamaCare.

    Under the rule if the reconciliation measure passes, then the Senate passed ObamaCare bill will be deemed to have passed the House without a vote.

  89. blessedistruth Says:

    This is where I get confused.

    So if Pelosi can get to 216 on Bill B, then Bill A passes, too?

    No matter the outcome in the Senate?

  90. blessedistruth Says:

    Procedurally, this would happen in the following order.

    The House Rules Committee would approve this self-executing rule.

    The House would vote on the rule that allows this scenario.

    Then the House will vote on the reconciliation measure.

    Upon passage of the reconciliation measure the Senate Obamacare bill will be deemed to have passed the House and the reconciliation measure will be sent to the Senate.

    This so called “Deeming Resolution” is a trick that allows the House to pass a bill they never voted upon.

    Therefore, the real vote on the pro-abortion Senate passed bill will be the vote on the rule to allow this scenario to roll out on the House floor.

    *** One provision that may make the rule is a provision that does not allow the House to report the Senate passed Obamacare bill to the President until the Senate passes a reconciliation bill. ***

    Bills are enrolled before being sent to the President for his signature and the House can prevent the enrollment and delivery of Obamacare to the President until the Senate completes work on the reconciliation measure.

    Sound complicated?

    Yes and it is supposed to so the American people can’t understand that the House is on the verge of passing an unpopular Obamacare bill, yet they are reserving the right to claim that they did not vote for the Senate passed bill.

    (Still, there’s no guarantee Pelosi can get to 216 in the first instance. And what happens when the Senate modifies the House’s reconciliation measure?)

  91. blessedistruth Says:

    Sen. Gregg warns House Democrats on health care

    Gregg noted that the reconciliation measure can’t be taken up until the big health-care bill has been signed into law.

    He says he’s already met with the parliamentarian to confirm that.

    And some provisions of the reconciliation measure could be subject to the so-called Byrd Amendment, which means its elements must relate directly to the budget, not to general policy.

    (In the Senate, that’s known as taking a Byrd Bath.)


    “the reconciliation measure can’t be taken up until the big health-care bill has been signed into law”

    (if this is truly the case, then we’re back to square one, and House Dems must base their vote on the merits of the Senate bill, stinky provisions and all)

    (Why are we even discussing this self-executing rule if it’s a nonstarter? For crying out loud!)

  92. blessedistruth Says:

    Gregg: GOP Gameplan Is To Sow Doubt On Reconciliation

    Among those arguments is a very broad argument that Congress can’t use reconciliation to fix a bill that hasn’t yet been signed into law.

    Saying that House members were being “fed a lie” that they will be able to include a fix to the Senate bill they were being asked to pass, Gregg warned:

    “We have talked this over with the parliamentarian, the language is unequivocally clear, it says reconciliation must change a law.

    And I’m pretty confident that that will be the view on the Senate floor. ”

    Should Democrats get beyond the starting gate, Gregg added, the Republican Party has a whole host of procedural hurdles that they will throw in the way.

    The senator told the gathering of reporters at the National Press Club that he and his colleagues will use arcane parliamentary processes to essentially force Senate Democrats to vote on controversial legislative topics, even if their relevance to the health care bill is ambiguous.

    Arguing that “everything in the jurisdiction” of the two Senate committees that handle health care — Finance and HELP — will be ruled “germane” to debate, he all but pledged to bring up “hot-button topics” like immigration, gun rights and certainly abortion as a means of forcing uncomfortable votes.

    “Now you ask yourself, if you are a senator from the Democratic side of the aisle, do you really need to put yourself through this just to help out the president and the Democrats’ side of the aisle in the House when you already have gotten what you want…” he said.

    “I think that’s a reach and it should cause questions for Democrats in the House.”

    The most ominous threat made by the New Hampshire Republican was a pledge to essentially bleed the reconciliation process to death.

    Gregg used his preamble to remind viewers that the day before, he and 40 of his Republican colleagues signed a letter pledging to oppose efforts to waive the so-called Byrd Rule during reconciliation.

    The Byrd rule is designed to ensure that reconciliation bills aren’t used for policy changes, and requires 60 votes to waive.

    The GOP plan, Gregg was forecasting, will be to point to literally any and every sentence in the final reconciliation product, protest that it is of non-budgetary significance, and oppose Democratic efforts to get 60 votes by uniting in mass behind efforts to waive the rule.

    “The House should note that yesterday, 41 Senate Republicans signed a letter that said they will not waive Byrd points of order,” the Senator said.

    “It takes 60 votes to waive a Byrd point of order.

    So it is pretty obvious that everything that is Byrd-able is going to be knocked out.

    So that puts [a] fairly big bunch of holes in this small [reconciliation] bill.

    To the extent they are Byrd-able they are going to be gone.”

    Indeed, at one point, Gregg seemed to concede that the GOP will vote against more restrictive abortion language because they are ultimately committed to voting against non-budgetary amendments in bloc.

    The most vivid illustration of this came when discussion turned to the sweatheart deals that President Obama has pledged to remove using reconciliation.

    Republicans have routinely mocked these legislative gifts as a form of bribery that taints the entire health care reform product.

    On Thursday morning, however, Gregg — in another effort to give Democrats pause — gleefully discussed how they might remain in the legislation in the end.

    “[I]f reconciliation doesn’t pass they can’t take it out,” he said.

    “That’s the law. And that will be the law…

    That’s a pretty big role of the dice [for the House to assume they will be take out].

    That’s the whole point here.

    They are selling something they can’t necessarily deliver.”

  93. blessedistruth Says:

    We’ll have to wait and see if rank-and-file Democrats buy the Republican argument, but at least one prominent supporter of Obamacare, The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn, seems to.

    He blogged this morning that “complication and delay seem dangerous.

    Given the widespread revulsion with legislative deal-making at this point—and the apparent success of Obama’s appeal for a “straight, up-or-down vote” on reform—crafting the rule to spare House members a certain vote seems quite likely to muddle the message.”

    With the way forward for Democrats unclear and frought with peril, is it any wonder Harry Reid told reporters today that “We’re not done yet – and that’s an understatement”?


    “crafting the rule to spare House members a certain vote”

    (Please answer a simple question! Will the House have to pass the Senate bill “as-is” and Obama sign it into law BEFORE reconciliation can even be taken up?)

  94. blessedistruth Says:

    Gregg said he has confidence the Senate parliamentarian will rule that Obama must first sign the Senate bill into law before the reconciliation bill could move through.

    Most House Democrats are opposed to some provisions in the Senate bill, including a tax on high-end insurance plans opposed by labor unions.

  95. blessedistruth Says:

    March 11, 2010

    You can click on green arrow at end of each line, I mean if you choose to.

  96. blessedistruth Says:

    Jaime Maussan nos demuestra prueba sobre contacto directo con los extraterrestres

  97. blessedistruth Says:

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  98. blessedistruth Says:

    These pics go with the following comment:

  99. blessedistruth Says:












    Pilate to JESUS: are you a king?

    Christ replied: Yes I am, but my Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my angels would set me free…”. (John, chap. 18).





    Through Giorgio Bongiovanni
    Montevideo, (Uruguay)

    10th November 2009, 05:08 pm

    (Well, I just don’t know.)

  100. song Says:

    Hello Rosa!

    Actually, cymatics is a known science that makes crop circles totally conceivable.


    You will like it, there are videos on youtube. The higher the frequency, the more complex the shapes.

  101. blessedistruth Says:

    “cymatics is a known science”

    hello to you, too!

    Never heard of “cymatics” now I’m intrigued.

  102. song Says:

    The pioneer, of cymatics was Hans Jenny, although there were many others I think. Now?

    They are measuring the tones dolphins make, and are finding that the patterns in the tones they make have a certain wonderful geometry, too.

  103. blessedistruth Says:

    PierGiorgioCaria59 “IL CASO AMICIZIA”

  104. blessedistruth Says:

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  105. blessedistruth Says:

    song, do you have a favorite side of an album?

  106. song Says:

    Finally, (I hope I am not talking too much)
    obviously the current paradigm has limited the understanding of natural laws due to, an imbalance in how nature has been ‘related’ to. I tend to believe, Rosa, that any civilization which is beyond ours would have had to overcome the same paradigm barriers that we face now. there is a great need in our world to understand how out of balance our science is and why? And the subject is very extensive, i know. For instance, though we have equations showing that there is such a thing as quantum potential, most physicists do not believe in it, because they cannot find the language to describe it. they say this is a place where data becomes ‘blurry”.
    but really, everyone and everything that lives has quantum potential, and it is a gift. I know you understand this.

  107. song Says:

    Rosa. I will have to think about it? I love so much music.


    Most phenomena has some relationship to what we know in higher physics, even though our physics in this world, is built on the wrong premises in the first place, and some math that is theoretical shows things that cannot be understood with logic alone. The question I have been asking myself lately is just how much of what we know is “true” in the “truest sense”, and how much have our scientists constructed based on half equation/left brain limits.

    whew. hahahahaha!!!

  108. blessedistruth Says:

    (I hope I am not talking too much)

    No, but I do have to put on my brainy beanie when I read your posts.


  109. blessedistruth Says:

    Very good question, BTW.

  110. blessedistruth Says:

    When I was in a regular classroom, I guaged my success in my students’
    ability to formulate good questions.

    Just an aside.

  111. song Says:

    Yes, this is what matters to all of us, really. Asking the right questions..lucky students they were.

  112. blessedistruth Says:

    awww, you’re sweet.

  113. blessedistruth Says:

  114. song Says:

    It was a recognitional statement Rosa. Some teachers do not help students learn to think. Sometimes it is the nature of the subject. Sometimes it is the limits of the curriculum, the material they have to cover…attendance issues, faculty meetings..on and on, now? teaching more to the test…

    whoa. hard job.

  115. blessedistruth Says:

    well, you can do all of those things

    and if your boss is in your corner, you’re good to go

    the same calamity that haunts the medical profession haunts educators as well

    everyone is afraid of being sued

    that wears on you after awhile

  116. song Says:

    “the same calamity that haunts the medical profession haunts educators as well”

    yup. bigtime issue in SPED.

  117. blessedistruth Says:

    “yup. bigtime issue in SPED.”

    oh, god, even worse!

    I’m ambivalent when it comes to SPED.

    And I’m wondering if we can even afford SPED any longer.

    I say this as a teacher with SPED students in my classroom who’d never been identified.

    Can we even afford this right now?

  118. blessedistruth Says:

    okay, bbl

  119. song Says:

    long long long conversation.

  120. blessedistruth Says:

    “long long long conversation”

    Amen to that! I am looking forward.

  121. blessedistruth Says:

    Ed Morrissey doesn’t think Pelosi can get to 216. We shall see.

    He doesn’t have the votes.

    As with Nancy Pelosi’s bravado, the deadline turned out to be a façade.

    If they had the votes, the bill would be on the floor now.

    Not only do they not have the votes now, it seems likely they won’t have the votes next week, either — which is why Obama’s pushing back his long-awaited trip to Indonesia.

  122. blessedistruth Says:

    Bart Stupak: Nancy Pelosi Lacks Votes for Pro-Abortion Health Care in House

  123. blessedistruth Says:

    (This might be “old” news.)

    But Rep. Bart Stupak, the top pro-life Democrat in the House, told Fox News last night that Pelosi lacks the votes she needs for passage.

    “No, I don’t think so,” Stupak said about whether Pelosi reached her magic number.

    “I don’t see how they’re going to get the votes to pass healthcare, no matter what procedure they use, if they want to do it by March 18th,” Stupak said. “I don’t see it.”

    “This was proposed today at the caucus and many members spoke up and said no. It’s not good enough,” Stupak added.

    “We’re not going to pass a bill — first of all, members don’t like the Senate bill. Especially with the special deals in it.

    Why would we vote for it, send it to the President so he can sign it and it becomes law, then the special deals are law, and then trust that they’re going to fix it later?

    It’s not just me.

    Many members said they don’t agree with that process,” Stupak said.

    Stupak also said the timeline doesn’t add up as well.

    “There’s so much in play here and no one has a final draft of what the bill’s supposed to be and supposed to vote on and yet they claim in caucus today that you’ll have seven days to look at it,” Stupak said.

    “Well, seven days, if my math is right, today’s the 11th, seven days is the 18th and they expect us to vote on it so they’ll have to have that bill done by midnight tonight? These are unanswered questions.”

    Underscoring Stupak’s point, Rep. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois said he has changed from yes to no on the Senate bill and added that other Hispanic lawmakers may join him because of their concerns over immigration.

    “They are enough to say I can’t support this bill,” Gutierrez told MSNBC about his concerns.

  124. blessedistruth Says:

    House Majority Whip James Clyburn said he hopes to get a cost estimate of that package quickly from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

    The CBO estimate will set off a final push by House leaders to secure the 216 votes they need to pass the bill.

    Ms. Pelosi said the House would then spend another week reviewing the final package before taking its vote.

    One option is to tighten the abortion language in a later bill. But some antiabortion Democrats are ruling that out.

    “I will vote no if the language is not changed,” said Rep. Daniel Lipinski (D., Ill.), who voted for the House version in November.

    “I’m not going to trust that is going to pass the House and Senate” after the original bill passes.

    Republicans stoked fears of such scenarios.

    Democratic leaders “are selling something they can’t reasonably deliver on,” said Sen. Judd Gregg (R., N.H.).

  125. blessedistruth Says:

    From: Rohrbeck, Douglas

    Sent: Fri Mar 12 07:17:40 2010

    Subject: Whip Count: The Quest for 216 (3-12-10)

    Current Whip Count — NO changes

    7 Democrats plan to change their votes from “Yes” to “No”

    1. Stupak (MI)

    2. Lipinski (IL)

    3. Oberstar (MN)

    4. Dahlkemper (PA)

    5. Driehaus (OH)

    6. Berry (AR)

    7. Donnelly (IN)

    Latest Tally = 209-222

    216 votes need to pass

  126. blessedistruth Says:

    Is it working? Not at the moment.

    There aren’t 216 votes in the House for Obamacare.

    As Rep. Anthony Weiner, Democrat of New York, tells the New York Times this morning, it’s hard to vote for something you haven’t seen.

    Chances are we’ll have a better picture of the final legislative package, including the details and cost of the reconciliation fixes, sometime next week.

    The cw is that yesterday’s ruling by the Senate parliamentarian hurt the bill’s prospects.

    The parliamentarian said the Senate could not pursue reconciliation until the bill it passed in December becomes law.

    That means the House will have to act first, and without truly knowing whether the Senate will ever “fix” what even many Democrats say is a flawed bill.

    Rep. Michael Capuano, Democrat of Massachusetts, says he is leaning toward voting No because he can’t trust the Senate.

    The latest whip count

  127. blessedistruth Says:

    Sen. Judd Gregg, accused Democrats of “hiding the bill,” writing it “in a hidden room, behind a hidden room, behind a hidden door.”

    Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican, said Democrats were “buying” votes.

  128. blessedistruth Says:

    Of course, Gregg is referring to the reconciliation bill.

    Because the Senate bill is, unfortunately, set in stone.

    BTW, IF Pelosi manages to get to 216, there will be no repealing anything so long as Obama is in office.

    I refuse to even look at that option until and unless I have to, and I’m hoping I don’t have to.

  129. blessedistruth Says:

    Listen live:

    Limbaugh, then Hannity

  130. blessedistruth Says:


    BTW, Even if Nancy gets to 216 and the Senate bill becomes the law of the land.

    There’s no guarantee that Reid can get to 50 on any “reconciliation” bill.

    The last I looked there were 11 Senate Dems who were NOs or MAYBEs

    59 minus 11

    59 minus 10

    48 or 49 ain’t enough.

  131. blessedistruth Says:

    The 11 to watch:

    Salon’s Mike Madden does a good job boiling down the swing Dem votes in the Senate, if the Dems try to pass big parts of health care via reconciliation.

    His 11 Senate Dems to watch:


    Ben Nelson,








    Webb and


    Where these 11 senators stand may have changed in the interim.

    But House Dems contemplating whether to vote yea or nay on Senate bill already know their reconciliation “fix” will be modified in the Senate.

    And there’s a slight chance Reid cannot even get to 50 in the first place.

  132. blessedistruth Says:

    “I expressed, in no uncertain terms, my belief that immigration reform could come to a halt for the year if healthcare reconciliation goes forward”

    Lindsey Graham

  133. blessedistruth Says:

    Reading between the lines of several developments today, you can be pretty assured that the House will hold a final health care vote at the end of next week, possibly over the weekend.

    President Obama delayed his trip to Indonesia from March 18 to March 21, leaving those three days open in case he needed to be available to work on passage.

    In addition, Steny Hoyer just announced on the House floor that there would be “possible action” on health care next week, with votes extending into the weekend.

    Nancy Pelosi said today that she’s waiting on CBO scores, which would start the clock for a process of committee markups and rule-setting that could last a full week.

    The CBO score on reconciliation fixes could come as early as today.

    That looks like the state of play. I’ll have a new whip count later on today.

  134. blessedistruth Says:

    Rasmussen Obama Approval

    44% — 54%

  135. blessedistruth Says:

    Many recent interviews here:

  136. blessedistruth Says:

    Mel Fabregas from VERITAS talks with Capt. Robert Salas about the Malmstrom AFB UFO Incident

  137. blessedistruth Says:

  138. blessedistruth Says:

    Speaking of favorite album sides!

    Here’s one of my favorites. My taste in music is hard to pinpoint.

    The Soft Parade is the fourth studio album by the The Doors, released in 1969.

    It seems the music that was released when I was 11 or 12 has stuck with me.

    I don’t know if that is a universal, or if the music was just so good in that era.

    Side one

    1.”Tell All the People” (Robby Krieger) – 3:23
    2.”Touch Me” (Krieger) – 3:12
    3.”Shaman’s Blues” (Jim Morrison) – 4:49
    4.”Do It” (Morrison, Krieger) – 3:08
    5.”Easy Ride” (Morrison) – 2:41

    Side two

    1.”Wild Child” (Morrison) – 2:38
    2.”Runnin’ Blue” (Krieger) – 2:33
    3.”Wishful Sinful” (Krieger) – 3:02
    4.”The Soft Parade” (Morrison) – 8:37

  139. blessedistruth Says:

  140. blessedistruth Says:

    Many changes

    March 12, 2010

    You can click on green arrow at end of each line, I mean if you choose to.

  141. blessedistruth Says:

    This album side ranks up there. Maybe not number one, but definitely in the top five.

    Surrealistic Pillow

    Side one

    1.”She Has Funny Cars” (Jorma Kaukonen, Marty Balin) – 3:14
    2.”Somebody to Love” (Darby Slick) – 3:00
    3.”My Best Friend” (Skip Spence) – 3:04
    4.”Today” (Balin, Paul Kantner) – 3:03
    5.”Comin’ Back to Me” (Balin) – 5:23

    Side two

    6.”3/5 of a Mile in 10 Seconds” (Balin) – 3:45
    7.”D.C.B.A. -25″ (Kantner) – 2:39
    8.”How Do You Feel” (Tom Mastin) – 3:34
    9.”Embryonic Journey” (Kaukonen) – 1:55
    10.”White Rabbit” (Grace Slick) – 2:32
    11.”Plastic Fantastic Lover” (Balin) – 2:39

    Which reminded me of this:

  142. blessedistruth Says:

    Oh yeah, that was back when everything I posted from YouTube got deleted.

    Anyway, it’s a new day. And nobody cares what I post any longer.


  143. blessedistruth Says:

    The summer had inhaled and held its breath too long
    The winter looked the same, as if it never had gone
    And through an open window where no curtain hung
    I saw you, I saw you, comin’ back to me
    One begins to read between the pages of a book
    The shape of sleepy music, and suddenly you’re hooked
    Through the rain upon the trees, that kisses on the run
    I saw you, I saw you, comin’ back to me

    You can’t stay and live my way
    Scatter my love like leaves in the wind
    You always say you won’t go away
    But I know what it always has been, it always has been

    A transparent dream beneath an occasional sigh
    Most of the time I just let it go by
    Now I wish it hadn’t begun
    I saw you, yes I saw you, comin’ back to me

    Strolling the hills overlooking the shore
    I realize I’ve been here before
    The shadow in the mist could have been anyone
    I saw you, I saw you, comin’ back to me

    Small things like reasons are put in a jar
    Whatever happened to wishes wished on a star?
    Was it just something that I made up for fun?
    I saw you, I saw you, comin’ back to me

  144. blessedistruth Says:

  145. blessedistruth Says:

    “The Hit Parade”

  146. blessedistruth Says:

    ¡El pueblo unido, jamás será vencido!

    The people united will never be defeated!

    This really could go either way.

    Whatever young Barack Obama must have experienced when he lost his mother must have had a profound effect upon him.

    He must have felt helpless. He’s right. No one should have to go through that when they’re so sick.

    But he’s been so less than honest with us.

    Many of us, if not most of us, believe that what is best for mankind is a free-market driven economy.

    Show me a better system. I haven’t found one. And I’ve been looking.

    Why are we at this point today?

    Not because the choice laid in front of us is such a great choice.

    I mean, God Bless Bart Stupak for being a pro-lifer.

    But he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.

    The public “option” was okay with him?!

    If those of us who believe in limited government and the private sector hadn’t been so busy fighting off single-payer and then a public “option,” we might actually have a good choice in front of us.

    Thankfully, we were successful.

    But what we’re left with is far from the system that would have served us best.

    I don’t buy it, that if we don’t pass health care now, we’re going to have to wait another decade or more before we can even make the attempt again.

    What about Wyden-Bennett?

    What about Judd Gregg and Paul Ryan and so many others?

    I’m an American, and this is what I think Americans want.

    We want everybody covered, like they have in Massachusetts.

    Yes, an individual mandate is a necessity.

    Again, they were able to cover most of the citizens in Massachusetts.

    No more pre-existing condition.

    Those of us who’ve worked hard all our lives and want to pass something onto our progeny want to be protected from catastrophic costs.

    The United States of America is exceptional.

    Until and unless we pass the baton onto another nation-state, how can we abdicate our position?

    I don’t see anyone else lining up to take our place.

    So we can’t be like Canada; we can’t be like the UK or much of Western Europe.

    But we can be like Switzerland. We can adopt policies like the Swiss and others who’ve opted for solving this problem in the private sector.

    My limited understanding of how they do things in Switzerland is that insurance companies cannot strive for profits from the basic coverage that all Swiss must have.

    But many, if not most, of the populace purchase supplemental coverage. And that is where insurance companies can profit.

    Profit is not a four-letter word. Again, show me a better system. It doesn’t exist.

    So, I’m hoping. And yes, I’m praying, that the Senate bill does not become the law of the land.

    I know we can do so much better.

    But I believe this is one of those times when we have to say, “Thy Will, not mine, Oh Lord.”

  147. blessedistruth Says:

    All right

    Wild child full of grace
    Savior of the human race
    Your cool face

    Natural child, terrible child
    Not your mother’s or your father’s child
    Your our child, screamin’ wild

    An ancient rulage of grains
    And the trees of the night
    Ha, ha, ha, ha

    With hunger at her heels
    Freedom in her eyes
    She dances on her knees
    Pirate prince at her side
    Stirrin’ into a hollow idols eyes

    Wild child full of grace
    Savior of the human race
    Your cool face
    Your cool face
    Your cool face

    Do you remember when we were in Africa?

  148. song Says:

    Brava Rosa!

    The Swiss plan sounds like the best of both worlds, and that is what we need here. Problem is when egos are involved it isn’t about being reasonable but winning, and forcing the issue. The Swiss plan sounds like win-win the way you describe it.

    On the other hand do the Swiss have any controls over their lawyers? I think maybe the Democrats have a lot of lawyer lobbyists, and the Republicans have a lot of insurance company lobbyists.

    Maybe we need to outlaw lobbyists or at least outlaw lobbyist money.

  149. blessedistruth Says:

    “On the other hand do the Swiss have any controls over their lawyers?”

    Good question.

    I wonder if doctors in Switzerland have the same problem our doctors do.

    I mean one reason our HC is so expensive is that doctors have to practice with the threat of being sued always uppermost in their minds.

    I did read that the Swiss spend .60 for every 1.00 we spend per capita.

    I’ll betcha they’ve got this aspect of controlling HC costs under control.

  150. blessedistruth Says:

    Geez Louise! NBC giving David Dayen a hard time over his whip counts!

    People are going to guess about this anyway, so a whip count that takes into account other information has plenty of value, more than a simple info dump.

    In other words, NBC, I’m way ahead of you.

    If you put that all together, you get 191 Yes votes and 202 No votes, with the rest undecided.

    Actually, with the erosion of the Stupak coalition, I think that the leadership is in slightly better shape right now than before, although they really need the final language to start whipping in earnest.

    Then you’ll see some more Yes votes.

    Democrats need 25 of a combination of the 18 potential No-Yes flip votes and the 20 potential Yes-No flip votes.

    So they need 25 out of the remaining uncommitted 38.

  151. blessedistruth Says:

    Enter Republicans who are raising the ominous specter that House Dems could get stuck with that Senate bill they don’t like; reconciliation could die.

    BUT — there appears to be momentum in favor of reconciliation passing (at least right now).

    Key Democratic aides involved in the reconciliation process are more confident than they’ve ever been.

    One told Fox, “I feel good. Better every day.”

    One issue that’s holding House Democrats up? Abortion.

    They’re having some trouble rounding up the necessary 216 votes for final passage, because a number of pro-life Democrats don’t like the language in the Senate bill.

    In this instance, they WILL be stuck with the Senate product.

    Reconciliation rules require that anything under its protection have a direct, substantial effect on the budget.

    You cannot just legislate using this fast track tactic.

    SO — that means, you cannot do anything with abortion.

    Reconciliation was originally designed to make it easier for the majority to get politically difficult spending cuts and tax hikes through in order to get the budget under control.

    The process has been pushed and pulled and tugged in different directions over the past 20 years till it’s hardly recognizable.

    (IF Pelosi can get to 216 and House passes Senate bill. House reconciliation bill will be modified in Senate. And there’s a slight chance Reid won’t get to 50. Which means we’ll be stuck with Senate bill.)

  152. blessedistruth Says:

    On Monday at 3 pm, the House Budget Committee is scheduled to set into motion this convoluted Congressional stage play.

    That panel initiates the process because Article 1, Section 7 of Constitution says that “all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.”

    A reconciliation bill deals with money and taxes, thus making it a “revenue raising” measure.

    And if the Senate tried to start, The Parliamentarian would rule against it.

    The House Budget panel will then craft a Budget Reconciliation Resolution and send it to the House Rules Committee.

    The Rules Committee will finalize the package and dispatch it to the House floor.

    At some point, the House will prospectively pass the old Senate health bill and send it down to the White House so President Obama can sign it into law.

    For now.

    That allows the Senate to start its reconciliation process in ten days or so.

    All of this will unfold in this manner because of the ruling of The Parliamentarian.

    The Parliamentarian has signaled that if Democrats want to play this game, this is the way they must play it.

    And we’re certain to hear a lot more from The Parliamentarian as the bill advances.

    – The Speaker’s Lobby refers to a long, ornate hallway that runs behind the dais in the House chamber. Lawmakers, aides and journalists often confer there during votes.

  153. blessedistruth Says:

    House Democratic leaders don’t have the votes to pass healthcare reform. At least not yet.

    Sources on and off Capitol Hill say the Speaker is playing from behind and needs time to make her case to her caucus. That was part of the reason why House Democratic leaders this week pushed back at the White House for setting a March 18 deadline.

    The Hill’s whip list can be accessed here.

  154. blessedistruth Says:

    P I G S R US

    Gregg joins debt-cutting panel

    In a statement, Gregg said, ”

    Although I have reservations about the viability of this effort, the President’s National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform is the only game in town.

    I will put forward my best effort to ensure that we produce a strong plan promoting fiscal solvency.”

    Gregg said,

    “Under the President’s budget, our publicly held debt will double in five years and triple in 10 years.

    U.S. debt will soon hit 80 percent of gross national product, putting us on the path to become the next Greece.”

    He said the Democratic-led Congress “continues to ignore the issue;

    earlier this week, it passed legislation that adds another $100 billion to the mountain of existing debt our children will have to pay off.

    It is time to put an end to this spending spree, which threatens the economic stability of our country and our children’s quality of life tomorrow.”

  155. blessedistruth Says:

    Something I’ve been wondering about.

    IF Pelosi can get to 216, and that’s a BIG IF, and the Senate bill becomes the law of the land …

    I know the Repubs plan to shred any reconciliation bill to pieces and will run on repealing healthcare.

    (Talk about a heavy lift!)

    And all 41 Repub senators have signed onto this strategy.

    I’m still hoping and praying the Senate bill does NOT become law, but if it does …

    Wouldn’t at least parts of any reconciliation bill improve the underlying bill?

    Just a thought.

  156. blessedistruth Says:

    U.S. Representative Bob Latta (R-OH)

    Latta says Dems do not have healthcare reform votes

    Democrats need 216 votes to pass the legislation. Latta says they now have about 209.

  157. blessedistruth Says:

    Die, public option! Die!

  158. blessedistruth Says:

    As the Wall Street Journal explains:

    “The administration is caught in a funding bind in large part because it made a miscalculation when it raised the ceiling for Pell grants to $5,300 from $4,800 last year as part of the stimulus bill. Combined with a surge in new Pell grant recipients, the higher ceiling has sharply driven up costs for the program, which has run a $19 billion deficit since 2008. An administration official said that about 800,000 more students than predicted have received Pell grants since last fall.

    The administration now says it will have to lower the Pell grant ceiling for the 2011 academic year to $2,150, if the lending overhaul fails to pass.”

    Thus, Democrats may not have much money to spare to help get around the requirement that the reconciliation bill would have to reduce deficits by $1 billion.

    The staffer also said that the bill would be unlikely to win over Democratic votes in the House and would probably cost votes in the Senate (though likely not enough to bring down the bill).

    In the end, the inclusion of the student loan measure would be more about passing the measure itself, which the administration needs to get done urgently, yet it couldn’t get 60 votes in the Senate on its own.

    So the bottom line, according to the staffer, is that melding the student loan bill into the larger health care bill is more about passing the student loan bill than it is about passing the health care bill.

  159. blessedistruth Says:

    I’m ashamed to admit that I haven’t been paying attention to the Iranian Freedom Fighters.

  160. blessedistruth Says:

  161. blessedistruth Says:

    Hadn’t noticed this story, either.

    Fox News: Best Investment Saudi Prince Talal Ever Made

  162. blessedistruth Says:

    If Wilders chooses to continue defying this route.

    If he doesn’t go the way of Sarkozy who talked tough during the election, only to wimp out once in office.

    Or Johnson who ran to hug the Muslims once the issue came up in the election and boast of his own Muslim roots– then he will face a true firestorm of rage, not simply from Muslims, but from the First World political establishment.

    Because the Muslim issue lies at the heart of the moral compromises that conservative politicians have made over the years, and at the heart of the left’s plot to undermine and reconstruct Europe, America, Israel, Australia and Canada more to their liking.

    That makes it the ultimate third rail of politics.

    A political leader who actually will fight to roll back Eurabia is a menace in more ways than one.

    He threatens to undo the progressive vision of a post-national, post-ethnic and post-religious Europe.

    And he shames and humiliates conservatives who are equally afraid of taking a stand, as they are of being associated with anything that smacks of extremism.

    A FOX News roundtable with “moderate” conservatives like Krauthammer will be the least of the kind of assaults that Wilders will face in the days ahead, as Saudi money and the political establishment will go after the man who dares to upset the apple cart.

    But if Wilders wins, it may mean a giant setback for the Conservatism of the Timid.

    And that may change the world as we know it.


    “the Muslim issue lies at the heart of the left’s plot to undermine and reconstruct Europe, America, Israel, Australia and Canada more to their liking”

    I don’t doubt there are some on the left who would prefer to see an “America in Decline.” And I don’t doubt there are some Muslims who feel the same way.

    But isn’t it a bit of a stretch to put forth the proposition that the Muslim “issue” lies at the heart of the left’s plot?!

    As far as Geert Wilders is concerned, it’s much more important how the Dutch people feel. And I think we should be listening to all sides.

  163. blessedistruth Says:

    Women, beware of Cohen!

  164. blessedistruth Says:

    Catholic hospitals support health care bill???

    The more than 600 Catholic hospitals across the country do not provide abortions as a matter of conscience.

    Major anti-abortion groups, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the National Right to Life Committee, are adamantly opposed to the legislation, preferring stricter restrictions passed last November by the House.

  165. blessedistruth Says:

    March 13, 2010

    You can click on green arrow at end of each line, I mean if you choose to.

  166. blessedistruth Says:

    New Thread:

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