“There is an extremely classified document dealing with religion, and it’s extremely thick. [It says] that we’re ‘containers.’ That’s supposedly how the aliens look at us; that we’re nothing but containers–maybe containers of souls.”
An excerpt from the book “UFOs and the Alien Presence” (1991 by Michael Lindemann ISBN 0-9630104-0-9)
BL = Bob Lazar
GH = Gene Huff
ML = Michael Lindemann
PH = An anonymous physicist
RS = Ralph Steiner
RS: “Bob, you said you read in the document room some rather strange references to human evolution and the aliens’ role in human genetics. How did that come up, in what context? What was it you saw?”
BL: “I hate to repeat this stuff. I say this every time I mention it, because I have no other proof it’s true, other than the fact that I read it; and I always follow that up by saying, yes, everything I read about the propulsion system turned out to be fact.
But it’s really far-fetched, and even though I did work with alien technology on flying saucers, I still find it difficult to come to grips with the physical alien thing in itself.
But as far as where that came from, yes, there was a book that was almost like a history of the development of the human race. It was written from a different point of view.
I don’t think that particular thing had a title to it. But that’s where we were referred to as ‘containers.’
Any time the word ‘human’ came up, it was always replaced with the word ‘containers.’ Earth was referred to as Sol 3 instead of earth. It was a strangely written report.”
ML: “What do you think the word ‘containers’ referred to?”
BL: “That referred to people. Now, containers of what, I don’t know. You can speculate on that until you turn BLUE.”
ML: “This book you’re referring to — are you saying this book was of alien origin?”
BL: “I’ll tell you exactly how it looked. It was certainly odd, in that it was written from another point of view. It was like a history book of us, like someone had been looking at the earth and written a brief history of what had happened, and how everything living here looked, so on and so forth.
If you remember the old Collier’s encyclopedias, in the section on anatomy they had the clear pages that you could turn, and there’s the circulatory system, the organs, and so forth. OK.
This was one of the most fascinating things in the briefings, other than the information itself.
As you turned the page — it would be a picture of, for instance, an old adobe house — and as you moved the page up, you’d see through the different levels of the house, almost like those little 3-D things you bend and see different views, but it was very smooth and clear, much higher resolution. I’d just never seen anything like that.
I don’t know if it actually exists anywhere, or if we’re talking about something of alien origin, but as you turn the page, you can see the superstructure, and then down to the wood itself, then the foundation.
There again, there were no references to people. Everything was ‘containers.'”
ML: “But it was clear from the context that the word container referred to people? [BL: Right.]
What kinds of things did they say about the people? Did they talk about how people behave, what the historical development was?”
BL: “What they were talking about was the desirability of containers, and that the containers were not damaged.
Now, people speculate on containers. Are they talking about containers of souls, something bizarre like that; or is it the opposite?
Is the container the soul, and it contains the body?
That’s too far out really for me to grasp, but they were talking about the preservation of the containers, and how unique they are.
Extremely, extremely unique…”
GH: “That life like ours was very difficult to find.”
BL: “Very difficult to find.”
BL: “By the way, the book, if flipped over, is two books put together. One’s upside down.
This way, it’s kind of the basic history of earth.
You flip it over and read it the other way, and it has to do with Reticulum Four, as they called it, which dealt with the alien civilization.”
Bob Lazar stated that the “Sport Model” Flying Disc amplified the “Strong Nuclear Force” of Element 115 (UnUnPentium or UUP) to generate the gravity field for “Space-Time Compression.” Bob also stated that the U.S. Government had 500 pounds of Element 115 in their possession. The raw Element 115 was given to the U.S. Goverment at S4 by the Reticulan EBEs in the form of discs. The scientists at S4 sent the Element 115 discs through Groom Lake to Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, to be milled for use in the Anti-Matter Reactor. The Los Alamos personnel were told it was a new form of armor. They simply followed orders, milled it in accordance with the following steps, and sent it back to Groom Lake. It was during this process that some of the Element 115 turned up missing.
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What about bodies?
“Maybe, yes. But I think there were better ones than Roswell,” he said. “We got some live ones.”
Live ones? Live aliens? Of course one hears all the rumors and wild tales. Did Gordon know for sure that there were some live aliens?
“I knew a guy who brought one in,” he said.
What? Brought one in? What did that mean, exactly?
It was back in the mid-1950s, at White Sands Proving Ground in the middle of the New Mexico desert.
His friend — Gordon called him Moser, and said that Moser had passed away just a few years ago — was a rocket scientist. He was working by himself on a rocket engine test bed, getting ready for a test the next day.
Suddenly, without warning, he heard a voice say his name. He didn’t know where it came from. He looked around, saw no one. The voice said his name again.
“Then the voice said, ‘Don’t worry, I’m above you in a craft a few miles up.’”
Gordon said the voice belonged to a person who wanted Moser to provide lots of basic information about earth and humans, so that this visitor could begin to adjust to living here.
An arrangement was struck whereby Moser would bring the visitor library books, the visitor would read them at incredible speed, then Moser would go get some more.
On more than one occasion, Moser went aboard the visitor’s craft.
The visitor looked human enough to pass on the street, but he was not used to earth gravity and had a hard time breathing our air.
It took him five years to acclimate to earth conditions. Then he started living on the surface. Moser stayed in close touch with him.
I asked Gordon if he ever met the visitor. “No. I hinted around again and again, but Moser never introduced us.”
Where is the visitor now? Gordon said he doesn’t know. The visitor learned to blend into human society and became a businessman, Moser said.
Why was the visitor here?
Gordon said Moser told him the visitor’s people had been in space a long time.
They were a very old race, and their planet had died when their sun died. They didn’t want to invade or change our society. They just wanted to live on solid ground.
Earth took some getting used to, but Moser’s visitor friend had adjusted well. Presumably there were many others, but Gordon didn’t claim to know about that.
I asked him if he thought there had been any technology transfer.
He said it was quite possible that the story told by Bob Lazar about saucers at a secret base in Nevada was true; and that wreckage had probably been recovered at Roswell and elsewhere.
I asked him if he thought the rumors about a landing at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico were true, and he said he thought perhaps they were.
Michael Lindemann is one of America’s most active and well-known lecturers on the subject of UFOs and human-alien contact.
Since 1990, Michael Lindemann has earned national recognition for contributions to the study of UFOs. He first examined the UFO controversy from the angle of its possible connection to covert weapons development and social policy.
Finding substantial evidence in support of UFO claims, he launched the Visitors Investigation Project to conduct and publish UFO research.
In 1994, Michael Lindemann co-founded the Institute for the Study of Contact with Non-human Intelligence (ISCNI, Inc.).
The UFO publications of the 2020 Group, as well as Michael Lindemann’s many public lectures, are intended to broaden public awareness and increase the legitimacy of public discussion concerning the entire range of claims surrounding UFOs and alleged human-alien contact.
Books: 1990: “UFOs and the Alien Presence: Time for the Truth” (Out of print.), 1991: “UFOs and the Alien Presence: Six Viewpoints”, 1992: “UFOs and the New World Order”, 1992: “UFOs and the Alien Presence (Video), 1994: “UFOs and the Global Situation” (Video).
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