Robles: I am sure there is many people who would not support what is going on if were allowed to know what is going on.
Barrett: No, they just support it anyway. This propaganda is so extreme, it is just not working. They couldn’t get their war on Syria with their false flag gas attack last August, and they just couldn’t mobilize people at all. They show horrible pictures and nobody really believes it anymore, and I think the same things happening with Ukraine.
I don’t see any mobilization of American public opinion that wants war in Ukraine; that even wants to be involved in Ukraine. The American people thinks it’s to stay home and mind our own business and rebuild our infrastructure and let the world take care of itself. And I don’t see them succeeding in changing that. So, I think it is all a big sort of puppet theatre that’s been put on by these lunatics.
If you believe media, then you might think that Americans actually buy all this interventionism. But I don’t think they do. They are going to have hard time keeping Rand Paul down in the next presidential elections, mainly because the people tend to agree with that sort of perceived non-interventionism of Ron and Rand Paul. So I don’t really know if American people are eager for continued intervention in Ukraine.
Robles: If I could. What I see there about a strategic necessity, it is NATO. Now I don’t know if it is NATO controlling the US anymore, or the US controlling NATO, of course it has always been the US controlling NATO and the Pentagon controlling NATO, but NATO wants a base in Crimea. They want to get rid of Russian influence in Crimea. They have continued even since the end of the Soviet Union to fight this great secret war, which is not so secret, against the Soviet Union. They haven’t stopped.
Barrett: Right. Yes, I guess that must be it. And they are probably sort of trying to give Putin some payback for his very successful diplomatic maneuvers in Syria, and one way that would be to try to go after the fleet that can support the Syrian government. Still it is a very dangerous and I think short-sighted game to play.
I think the neo-cons could be playing an outsized role in this, and part of what drives the neo-cons is I think a love of mischief, for the sake of mischief, and also they love creating enemies and their philosophy is that politics is based on enmity. So, if you don’t have good enough enemy, you’d better create one. And maybe they decided that the Muslim world isn’t a big enough enemy right now, so they need to have Russia as an enemy du jour as well.
And they thrive on this, and of course they get money for it, it is a business for so many people. Victoria Nuland and these people are drawing nice salaries, and living in posh parts of DC, and hobnobbing with the elite, and jet setting around, and trying to create these new puppet governments, and things like that. I guess that is just what they do. They don’t want to get a real job.
Robles: You know about Nuland, right? I mean her husband is a Bilderberg.
Barrett: Her husband is that arch neo-con. What’s her husband’s name?
Robles: Robert Kagan.
Barrett: That is right. Yes. PNACer.
Robles: So, to the neo-conservatives, and we have to bring up I think, since you brought up that word in this group of people, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Wolfowitz told Wesley Clark that they were in the business of destroying nations. Do you remember that?
Barrett: Yes, that was a post 9/11. They, apparently, immediately after 9/11 Wesley Clark was told that they were going to get ready for Iraq, and then a little later he was told ‘Oh it’s even worse that’, they are going to overthrow 7 countries in 5 years.
Robles: In 5 years, right. They said that before the next world power rises up to challenge us.
Barrett: Right, and it’s interesting that the most likely prospect for the next big world power is China, and though there is some strategic encirclement of China. It seems that they are facing towards the Islamic world and they are facing towards Russia, demonizing these other countries even though the likely challenger is China.
You were listening to an interview with Dr Kevin Barrett. That was part 1 of a longer interview. Thank you very much for listening and I wish you the best wherever you may be.